I was hoping someone else would chime in (I hate dominating discussions on MLs, so someone, please cut me off) On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 04:21:07PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Thanks to all participants on this thread thus far. > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:05:46PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: > > On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:52:18 +0200, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > > > or other "official" documentes should carry the official logo, so > > > their reproduction and modification is not legal. > > I completely agree with such a point. > > All in all, we seem to have people on both camps of "keep it" and "ditch > it", ... as it often happens :-) > > The arguments in favor of keeping it seem reasonable in the abstract > but, frankly, all a tad too "theoretical". As a matter of fact we do not > use the restricted logo that much (if at all) in official documents: as > DPL I've signed quite a few of them (letters, certificates, some > contracts, etc.) and I've never used the restricted logo. I also don't I mean, sure. This is something we can change, if we decide to do so. It's also true this is not currently an active concern. > see us doing that anytime soon, because we love free content and we're > naturally *not* inclined to use non-free stuff. Also, there is a > communication backlash if we start using the restricted logo in such > places now, because it is not known, and people will wonder "hey, this > is not the Debian log, what's going on?". It's got the swirl in it, I think people will figure it out, if we did start adopting it on works (yadda yadda, more of what was said before) > > But let's assume for the sake of the argument we want to keep both > logos. (Maybe nowadays we're not yet convinced it's pointless to keep > the restricted one, but maybe we'll be in a few years from now if our > pattern of usage for it won't change *g*.) > > How about the attached patch? Looks great to me. Calling it restricted is technically correct, and well, that's the the best kind of correct. > > In hindsight, it doesn't change the logos, but just improve our > communications about them. It clarifies that our preferred logo is the > open use one, and call the other for what it is, a "restricted logo" for > basically internal use only. It also explicitly encourages people to use > the open use logo, when referring to Debian. > > Would such a patch constitute an acceptable compromise? I'm very much happy with the suggested changes. Others? > > Thanks in advance for your comments, > Cheers. > -- > Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . zack@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o > Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o > Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . > « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » > Index: index.wml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/logos/index.wml,v > retrieving revision 1.65 > diff -u -r1.65 index.wml > --- index.wml 30 Sep 2012 13:51:14 -0000 1.65 > +++ index.wml 13 Oct 2012 14:11:52 -0000 > @@ -1,14 +1,12 @@ > #use wml::debian::template title="Debian logos" BARETITLE=true > #include "$(ENGLISHDIR)/logos/index.data" > > -<p>Although Debian can be obtained for free and will always remain > -that way, events such as the problem with the ownership of the > -term “Linux” have shown that Debian needs to protect its > -property from any use which could hurt its reputation.</p> > - > -<p>Debian has decided to create two logos: <a href="#official-use">one > -logo</a> is for official Debian use; the <a href="#open-use">other > -logo</a> falls under an open use type license.</p> > +<p>Debian has two logos. The <a href="#open-use">official logo</a> (also known > + as "open use logo") contains the well-known Debian <q>swirl</q> and best > + represents the visual identity of the Debian Project. A separate, <a > + href="#restricted-use">restricted-use logo</a>, also exists for use by the > + Debian Project and its members only. To refer to Debian, please prefer the > + open use logo.</p> > > <hr> > > @@ -51,11 +49,11 @@ > <col width="35%" /> > </colgroup> > <tr> > -<th colspan="2"><a name="official-use">Debian Official Use Logo</a></th> > +<th colspan="2"><a name="restricted-use">Debian Restricted Use Logo</a></th> > </tr> > <tr> > <td> > -<h3>Debian Official Use Logo License</h3> > +<h3>Debian Restricted Use Logo License</h3> > > <p>Copyright (c) 1999 Software in the Public Interest</p> > <ol> > @@ -74,7 +72,7 @@ > <li>We reserve the right to revoke a license for a product</li> > </ol> > > -<p>Permission has been given to use the official logo on clothing (shirts, > +<p>Permission has been given to use the restricted logo on clothing (shirts, > hats, etc) as long as they are made by a Debian developer and not sold for > profit.</p> > </td> -- .''`. 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