Re: Who's *still* or *not* using Debian?
On 15/09/2011 10:51, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mi, 14 sep 11, 22:21:20, David Prévot wrote:
Maybe some of you, e.g. handling data in the vendors, pre-installed,
consultants, etc. part of the website, may have some advice or tip to
handle such pings. Here is a proposed workflow I can think of, do not
hesitate to comment it, or the proposed text at the end of this message.
Giussepe Sacco has been doing that for consultants. You might want to
ask him about the scripts used ;)
Monitoring for a few weeks Giussepe's work on the consultants stuff
(kudos for your work Giussepe!) makes me think that the proposed
workflow  makes sense.
Something asked to consultants that would actually makes sense too,
would be to ask for an URL where users stat they are actually using
Debian: the page won't be linked from the Debian website, but it would
provide us an easy way to check via a script if the page is still valid
and actually refers to Debian. I'll add that in my request, it won't be
mandatory for this first run, but could be if nobody disagrees about
that (see attached patch).
Here I would try to suggest them to avoid mentioning version numbers or
code-names, as that information gets outdated over time.
Good point, I used your suggestion in order to update the submission
“form” , patch attached.
For the time being, “Who's using Debian?” mails are sent directly to
this list (and handled by Kåre, thanks for that too), so the submitter
mail address is already public. On the other hand, I don't know how it
was handled in the past, and the email address, even if stored on the
webwml CVS repository, doesn't appear publicly on the www.d.o website,
so I'm not sure we want to make this “ping process” totally public (e.g.
via the BTS). Only email@example.com will be flooded by this process, (six
of us are following this alias and the mailbox archive is available to
all DD), but I'm totally fine with using the BTS in the future if you
think it's worth it, we've already began to play with usertags anyway .
Here is the updated mail draft, thanks Andrei for your remarks:
Subject: Are you still using Debian?
Hi [Name, if known],
Some time ago, you provided a description  of how your organization
1: [Link to the page and a copy of the current description]
If you are still using Debian, you may wish to update this data, with a
paragraph or two describing how your organization uses Debian. Try to
include details such as the number of workstations/servers, the software
they run (no need to specify version), and why you chose Debian over the
>> [If it's not already provided under the preferred form]
Could you please provide us the name of your organization in the form of
“division, organization, city/town (optional), country”?
>> [One of the two following, depending if there is a link or not]
Is the home page link  still correct?
2: [Home page link]
Could you please provide a link from your website mentioning you're
You may also wish to provide a home page link if you have one, and if
so, please provide a link from your website mentioning you're using Debian.
Thanks in advance for you answer.
[The sender], for the Debian website
I think we should have started this ping process a long time ago, so I
won't delay it anymore. If some improvement in the process or in the
mail can be made, it will never be to late to include them for the
future pings. I'll try to document the process as much as I can, add it
in a README text file inside the CVS repository, and hopefully prepare
something useful to track the process. If some of us want to join the
fun, I'll be happy to split it ;-).
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/users/index.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.199
diff -u -r1.199 index.wml
--- english/users/index.wml 2 Feb 2011 23:39:23 -0000 1.199
+++ english/users/index.wml 12 Nov 2011 19:18:30 -0000
@@ -59,10 +59,13 @@
<li>Organization type (educational, non-profit, commercial, government)</li>
- <li><em>(optional)</em> Home page link</li>
+ <li><em>(optional)</em> Home page link, and if so, a
+ link from your website mentioning you're using Debian
<li>A paragraph or two describing how your organization uses Debian.
Try to include details such as the number of workstations/servers,
- the software they run, and why you chose Debian over the
+ the software they run (no need to specify version),
+ and why you chose Debian over the