Bug#601337: www.debian.org: move events/talks/ and events/speakers/ to the wiki
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> A lot of people that I know of rather not bother with registering at
> yet another wiki, creating yet another account and figuring out yet
> another wiki syntax that is different everywhere around. That's a lot of
> loops to jump through, compared to send a single mail, formatless, with
> the information on the talk.
My take is that most people giving a Debian talk already have used the
Debian wiki, but I can be wrong of course. And there's no syntax problem,
this page is a list, you just have to copy/paste an existing list item and
you change some strings.
> > I believe the wiki page is the way to improve the situation that is
> > sustainable on the long term. If the current approach was working, we
> > would not have this discussion.
>
> We would not have this discussion if you would have gotten in contact
> *before* you started the page. Sorry, that argument is totally
> ridiculous. Starting something externally yourself and claiming that
> current state isn't working because *you* didn't even try to do a single
> contact approach is making me laugh. Madly.
This discussion is ridiculous. Even if I contacted you before creating the
wiki page it would not change the fact that the page on the website has
not been working for years.
And really creating a wiki page is not a big deal. It can be removed as
easily as it has been added if the discussion concludes that the way
forward is to have everything on the website (which I doubt, I like the
intermediary approach suggested by Javier).
Also consider that this discussion will be seen by people I invited to start
contributing to Debian to what should be a small task and instead they see
how quickly people get upset in Debian and why it's best to do nothing if
you don't want to be flamed for it. :-(
> From the very first paragraph of the page:
>
> "If a talk is missing, please get in touch with the [events people]
> including all details."
>
> If you didn't even get that far I fear others won't go any much further
> on the wiki page neither. Wording improvements very welcome, as is a
> discussion on wether this should be changed to debian-www or wether the
> events people are willing to keep maintaining these parts.
Suggestion:
<h2>Submit a talk</h2>
If you want to submit a new talk, or if you know of a missing talk,
please mail events@debian.org with required information (title, date,
language of the presentation, name of the speaker, URL of the slides). If
the talk is not available online, please include it as an attachment.
<h2>List of talks</h2>
...
> Thanks for following the general Debian approach of non-communication.
Thanks for entertaining the fact that contributing to Debian requires to
cope with flames.
Cheers,
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