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Re: "family name, personal name" in devel/people

I think some misunderstanding happened.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 06:51:40PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:
> From: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>
> > > From Oohara Yuuma 
> > > My family name is Oohara and my personal name is Yuuma.  I am _not_
> > > Yuuma Oohara -- in Japan a family name comes before a personal name.
> > 
> > I know some minority of Japanese people wish to be called the same order
> > in English/French context as they do in Japanese context.  That is fine
> > as preference but you are stretching too far and twisting the fact.
> This means that Korean people preserve their name order even in alphabet
> transliteration.  Then, why not Japanese?  I don't want to think that
> you think "Western culture is international and eastern culture is local,
> so eastern people must act in western way in international projects
> such as Debian".

I think we are talking 2 separate issues.
 1.  How people should be addressed?
 2.  What is the convention of name translation?

I can assure you that I do not think "Western culture is international"
since I am living in, err... , hostile cultural environment :-)

If Oohara Yuuma said "In Japan a family name comes before a personal
name in _Japanese_ _language_ context.  I want to retain the same order
in English context too.", it was not stretching the fact.  I am all for
respecting his defiance wish to the Japanese translation convention.  

Please remember that it is a well established convention for Japanese
name to be flipped in English or French context upon translation.  That
was my point.  I guess if translated into Hungarian or Chinese, we
should use surname first as the translation convention.  

Boy, it is a hot topic.  In my daily activities, defending my real first
name against anglocized name is a real challenge in a hostile
environment.  I already gave up on my real fist name at the restaurant
or bar.  :-)

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