Re: "family name, personal name" in devel/people
I think some misunderstanding happened.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 06:51:40PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:
> From: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>
> > > From Oohara Yuuma
> > > My family name is Oohara and my personal name is Yuuma. I am _not_
> > > Yuuma Oohara -- in Japan a family name comes before a personal name.
> >
> > I know some minority of Japanese people wish to be called the same order
> > in English/French context as they do in Japanese context. That is fine
> > as preference but you are stretching too far and twisting the fact.
...
> This means that Korean people preserve their name order even in alphabet
> transliteration. Then, why not Japanese? I don't want to think that
> you think "Western culture is international and eastern culture is local,
> so eastern people must act in western way in international projects
> such as Debian".
...
I think we are talking 2 separate issues.
1. How people should be addressed?
2. What is the convention of name translation?
I can assure you that I do not think "Western culture is international"
since I am living in, err... , hostile cultural environment :-)
If Oohara Yuuma said "In Japan a family name comes before a personal
name in _Japanese_ _language_ context. I want to retain the same order
in English context too.", it was not stretching the fact. I am all for
respecting his defiance wish to the Japanese translation convention.
Please remember that it is a well established convention for Japanese
name to be flipped in English or French context upon translation. That
was my point. I guess if translated into Hungarian or Chinese, we
should use surname first as the translation convention.
PS:
Boy, it is a hot topic. In my daily activities, defending my real first
name against anglocized name is a real challenge in a hostile
environment. I already gave up on my real fist name at the restaurant
or bar. :-)
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