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Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children

Tobias Hansen <thansen@debian.org> writes:

> Am 11.03.2014 17:54, schrieb Miriam Ruiz:
>> Right now there is no need to make any decision at all, it is
>> in the hands of the FTP Masters, and we as a project trust them.
> As far as I am aware there is not even the need for the FTP masters to
> decide because there is no Debian developer who is considering to
> package or sponsor the game. (Or is there?)

I considered packaging the game and have already learned some things
about creating a Debian package. I have also filed an ITP bug for my
bourne shell implementation of DJB redo – and plan to make a package
vastly less controversial, except maybe to defenders of make(1).

Since I am new to all of this I do not know how hard it is to find a
sponsor. I personally think that person should have played the game and
reviewed its assets package (after the legal difficulties are worked
out) so he or she is not in error about the game contents. It would
certainly be a time-consuming task and not for the easily offended.

As I know a number of people who have played Unteralterbach who were
more amused than offended, I think the hard part would not be to find a
DD who enjoys the game, but to find a someone who would be not afraid to
admit that publicly. People expressed fear and I now understand why the
original developer did not want to publish the game under her real name.

> There was just someone who is not a Debian developer or maintainer and
> who has not contributed to the Games Team before who asked on
> debian-devel-games if this game can be included. By being somewhat
> well-spoken and not mentioning child abuse in the beginning he got the
> discussion going.

This is only a minor point, but I think I did mention sexual abuse. It
was a major reason why I am anxious about possibly packaging this game.

Having seen the – mostly civil – discussion, I have less anxiety.

> But as long as there is no Debian developer who considers uploading
> something like that I really don't know why to continue the
> discussion.

Personally, in the case if Debian decides not to admit the game, I will
use it to practice packaging Ren'py games and ask upstream if they want
to host the deb package so it could be accepted later (if ever) easily.

(I apologize for leaving everyone in CC, but this thread now spans
several lists – I have no idea where my response belongs right now.)

Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann

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