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Re: Debian's Freenode IRC channels


First and foremost, I want to apologise for the tone of my original post, and how it came across. It was rather uncharacteristic of me but I should have known better than to write such a post on 3hrs sleep in the middle of a heatwave.

However, I am not apologetic for raising the issue, and wholeheartedly thank Jordi and Michael for appreciating my point of view.

Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
Ronin, please remain calm and respectful. Melissa had at least one
perfectly valid point, and perhaps others. Her valid point is that
there is a channel that by its own admission is a pigsty, and it's
using the Debian name in a popular IRC network. Channel moved, we get
to keep our pigsty, and newcomers don't immediately find a hostile
channel with Debian's name in it. I for one am happy that the pigsty
remains, because sometimes I like to wallow around in mud just as much
as you do.

Problem solved all around.

I would like to point out that after I was directed to the channel, I was never informed that it was a intentionally "pigsty" channel. The nearest I got was to be called an advocacy troll for inquiring why the channel was set +s. Regardless, I would have been equally disappointed and embarrassed that such a channel was preventably under the name of an otherwise respectable FOSS project.

On 12/01/2008, Pebcak <pebcak64@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice use of misquoting and taking things out of context there Melissa.

She quoted some channel logs with context, and the ones with fewer
context were grepped. Maybe she should have used -C in her grep, but
the grepped logs do show an overwhelming amount of sexual content
whenever women were mentioned. I think that was context enough to
attempt to make a point, with which you may agree or not.

I suggest you slither over to Efnets #debian.

Freenode however is a widely respected representative community for FOSS. Anyone would be hard pressed to convince me that Efnet was a respected anything.

One other thing I want to comment on is this notion (because it is a pet peeve):

Tore Sinding Bekkedal wrote:
Hell, #debian-offtopic was started by a woman, and the tone was set by a
crowd with a healthy proportion of women.

That does not in any way make the content of that channel.

If this were the case, there would be situations such as parents everywhere submitting to their children's peers behaviour because the other child's parent's recklessly allow it (think: "But Daaddeee, $name's parents let them!"), or (mandatory automotive example) everyone driving at insane speeds because emergency services and professional drivers do.

Once again, I am sorry for how I came across.

Melissa Draper


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