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Re: Debian's Freenode IRC channels

On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:40AM -0800, Erinn Clark wrote:
> * Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> [2008:01:12 12:15 +0100]: 
> > On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 02:08:16AM -0800, Erinn Clark wrote:
> > > Anyway, time passed, we changed our official servers, and a lot of users
> > > did not follow from freenode. 
> > 
> > Well, it should be said that also most of the operators decided to care
> > for both channels or stay on freenode.
> Yeah, I knew a lot of the ops stuck around on freenode. I always
> wondered what kind of coverage it got. (Just to be clear, I don't expect
> you to stick around and monitor all of these channels all the time!)

I think #debian on freenode is doing just fine.  Usually, when I'm
remotely monitoring IRC and see somebody called the !ops factoid in
#debian, the abuse would've been klined already by one of the staffers
who hang around there.

> > > So that's the history, but since you're concerned with the present and
> > > future... I don't know what to tell you. As Vid says, anyone can create
> > > channels for anything there -- they are not officially sanctioned in any
> > > way, they are not officially supported, and very few official Debian
> > > types hang around there. 
> > 
> > Well, out of the 40 people on #debian-offtopic, around 10% are DDs, and
> > another 10-20% are known members of the Debian community.  So maybe the
> > problem is that having those people around there gives the channel some
> > sort of credibility it should not have (given that most of those people
> > in there just idle).
> Huh, I didn't know that. I agree that their presence is possibly giving
> it some credibility (or at least makes it difficult/impossible for us to
> wash our hands of the situation and declare no relation to it). So
> what's up? Are any other #d-o patrons? Why y'all misbehavin'?

Well, there are Debian people, #debian regulars, former #debian regulars
and other people in #debian-offtopic.  As I said before, I don't really
follow the channel, so I cannot say a lot, but I think most of the
misbehaving is from some of the former or current #debian regulars or
recent additions.

> Michael, do you think we need more (new) ops on freenode? It's been a
> while since we appointed new people... 

As I said above, I think #debian on freenode is fine currently.  If
somebody wants to tame #debian-offtopic we could support them, but it
might be neither easy nor worth it.


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