Re: Core KDE member about HIG^W female contributors
I really don'tlike the way it seems like people are jumping all over
this Herman guy because of his remarks.
While I don't think that it is women's responsibility to change mens
behaviour, I do think women have a role to play in changing peoples
opinion through civil dialog. Right now it would appear that he is
being alienated just for saying what probably many men think - right
or wrong.
Herman, I think your comments mean well, though as you pointed out,
it's always hard to know someones true sentiment over email. I think
a lot of people (women) are just really tired out pointing out the
obvious when it comes to the social behaviour, etc.
I actually am amazed at how many well behaved geeks are out there,
computer work seems to do nothing to improve this per se and I find an
equal or greater proportion of ego maniacs, a-holes, bulldozing alpha
(whatevers) in business, law and many other fields. I think this is
more of a endemic social problem then just an engineering mindset.
Throughout most of the world being the "top dog" by any means
necessary is rewarded financially whereas - in general - being kind
and caring and considerate is not.
-Cere
On 5/15/05, C.M. Connelly <cmc@debian.org> wrote:
> "HR" == Herman Robak <herman@skolelinux.no>
>
> Herman,
>
> HR> If you want to improve the situation, you must understand
> HR> the problematic gender.
>
> I think women have a pretty good understanding of ``the
> problematic gender''. That's why we're tired of dealing with
> their crap.
>
> HR> How do you motivate the guys to behave, and how do you
> HR> avoid making them hostile?
>
> Frankly, it's not up to women to ``motivate the guys to behave'',
> it's up to the guys to figure out that their behavior is
> inappropriate and deal with it. Their hostility is their problem,
> right up to the point that it results in negative actions
> affecting someone else.
>
> HR> And how do you distinguish a personal hostility from a
> HR> simple disagreement?
>
> Because of the limits of electronic media, it's not always
> possible to do so. But don't be surprised if suggesting that
> someone's bad behavior isn't their responsibility leads to your
> being dismissed.
>
> Claire
>
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