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Re: Fw: Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 08:34:14AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 01:27:02PM -0200, Fernanda Giroleti Weiden wrote:
> > One way of fixing this specific problem is creating a way to choose
> > between pictures of women or men on the program. Yes, why not have p0rn
> > pictures of a man in the .deb package too? Is it possible to fix this
> > sexism problem?
> How is putting pictured naked guys in a package making it any less
> offensive and sexist?
> What you're basically saying here, to me, is that it's not that you
> find cartoons of boobs actually offensive, but that you feel
> slighted that your particular kink isn't satisfied, and so therefore
> you're unhappy.

I think that when only males (or overwhelmingly males) gets their
kinks satisfied in a systemic way and women do not, that might qualify
as sexist and a reason to be unhappy. I think that when this happens
at the expense of women users and participants, that might qualify as

> If your intention is actually to remove images from main which tend
> to get an awful lot of prudes annoyed (or rather stop them before
> they get in), then just say so.

That doesn't sound to me like it was the feeling that started this
thread out at all.

> Don't try and make compromises of the sort you are making here,
> because all you are actually doing here is seeking to *increase* the
> amount of offensive (to some) material in Debian.

I think that having a choice between two naked pictures in the already
pornographic hot-babe prospective package is not going to tipping the
scale too far one way or another. :)

> > We need to discuss this point and find a technical way of solving the
> > first.
> Don't look for technical solutions to social problems.  This is in *no*
> *way* a technical problem.  Next you'll be asking for a technical solution
> to the problem of where to go for dinner.

I highly doubt anyone will be asking for that. The line here, and
elsewhere, is a grey one and people often disagree. Technical and
social problems tend to overlap and people tend to disagree.


Benjamin Mako Hill

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