Re: Debian, lists and discrimination
On 2004-08-07 06:43:07 +0100 Eduard Bloch <email@example.com> wrote:
[...] However, pseudo-troll
postings like yours cause much more problems.
"pseudo-troll"? I asked a few questions, which you mostly ignored,
because I am interested in the answers, not to gather number of
replies. There would be little chance of getting near any "high score"
compared with -devel. Let me remind you of the questions in my first
1. Is the debian-women supporters page an accurate representation of
debian support? (Amaya says fuller results are coming, so I'll wait.)
2. Should we allow any debian part to discriminate on the basis of
3. How does one fix a bug with a created list? (answered by pasc, with
more details on IRC)
4. Why did no-one challenge a racist, classist, religionist and sexist
post to debian-women? (you say "Who cares?")
5. Should discussions for which there are other debian lists be
accepted on debian-women just because they involve women?
6. What non-discriminatory action do debian-women wish to take that
would not be possible (or even stronger) within a more general list of
offensive that someone makes unsupported links between krooger's
a background similar to mine (white middle-class christened male,
Who cares? [...]
Is debian-women largely the people that complained about other debian
groups not challenging offensive behaviour on lists and IRC? (March on
debian-vote?) To rephrase from then: it doesn't take many idiots in
the community to put your average interested white middle-class male
off. It is off-putting to get lumped together with someone you
disagree with, just because you share some attributes you can't easily
Maybe debian-women isn't who I thought it was. #debian-women is far
more nasty than most other debian channels I have used. For example,
it was suggested soon after /join that I am incapable because I was a
bit rusty and forgot to set an IRCNAME environment variable before
starting sirc. As ever, I was left to answer that myself. There was a
lot of showboating (like "no biscuit for you, troll" and "time to
/ignore slef"), repeating and general flooding so it was hard to
discuss much. What should have taken a couple of minutes took
literally hours. In hindsight, I should have given up sooner and used
/ignore more. telsa and __moray stand out as exceptions: thank-you to
them and any other helpful people I've not named.
[...] Please remove listmaster and
debian-project from discussion of the below:
Bah. Why do not YOU stop right here and remove him from YOUR Cc: list?
A listmaster asked me to do something, so I cc'd him when I did it. I
cc'd the other list to let them know discussion can be found in
another archive if they're interested. That seemed polite to me.
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