Hi Brian On 2020/03/24 18:33, Brian Gupta wrote: > I certainly don’t think it will be possible to create both Foundations in one > term, and it may not be possible to even finish creating the US Foundation in > one DPL term, but a lot of progress can be made. In my platform, I estimated > 6-12 months, but there are things that are out of our control. These things > include waiting for approvals from municipalities, working on the details, and > time spent building consensus on the details. > > I commit that if I am elected DPL, that I will run for a second term, and > finish the creation of the US Foundation if it hasn’t already been completed, > whether or not I am re-elected as DPL. In my first term, I will also begin > working with European developers to create the European Foundation but have no > expectation of completing that during the first-term. <snip /> I'm not going to reply to all the specifics in your mail since I've already covered a lot of it already, but your explanation just convinces me even more that a creation of one or more foundations should not be linked to a DPL term. > I am curious, what was meant by “yet another Debian mess”? In my eyes, the > biggest Debian “messes”, are the endless bikeshedding sessions that end up going > nowhere. Yes, I suppose you could consider those examples of Debian messes. Although I was thinking more in terms of what Alioth had become before it was flushed out. Single sign-on in Debian is also messy. It's not any person's fault, and I appreciate people who have worked on it because it's both complex and something I don't like working on, but I think that as a project, we should be more strategic in dealing with issues like that so that services that affect every developer is easier to maintain and even easier to cleanly move away from when we eventually need to move to something else for whatever reason. I don't always like the Salsa team's policy of keeping our GitLab instance pristine and not integrating the whole world into it, but after I take a minute to think about it I appreciate that they do that and I think that they're making the right choices for Debian and that it forces us to innovate and come up with better and cleaner solutions. > As I’ve stated earlier, I’m not a fan of unnecessary GRs. If we can find a way > to assess the project’s will without them, we should, just as I thought Jonathan > believed, based on his 2019 DPL campaign rebuttal [2].: > > "I think that GRs should remain a last resort and that there are better ways > to gauge the community's stance on a topic when you need it. If a poll is > needed, it's better to do a proper poll than to use a GR as a generic tool." > > I will say that during the development work to create the Foundations, if we > discover legal reasons that would require us to change the Constitution, I would > have no issue seeking a GR, and working to build consensus to make the necessary > changes. Great! Yes I still stand with the idea that a GR should be used for final votes, not as a polling tool, and the options should be clear enough that people understand what they vote for and what the consequences of each option mean. -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <jcc> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Be Bold. Be brave. Debian has got your back.
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