Re: My analysis of the proposals
I should say up front that I'm not also replying to Uoti along the same
lines only because Sam and Wouter already have.
Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> writes:
> Systemd has reached a level of complexity where debugging failures is a
> specialized skill set rather than just application of generic shell
> script knowledge and a few simple design concepts. The promised "flatter
> learning curve" got appended at the bottom of the mountain and only
> increased the total height. There is a nice plateau there though.
> Effectively we now have a new class of user that knows a set of magic
> incantations to make a piece of black box software behave, but cannot
> repair problems outside of that.
> Twenty years ago, we used to make fun of people who crammed system
> administration recipes for their MCSE exams instead of learning how the
> system worked so they could derive them on the spot like we did on Unix.
> Thing is, that was impossible on Windows then, and it is impossible with
> systemd now, because the actual implementation is complex and very much
> in flux.
This sort of presentation is a good example of the kinds of social
problems that always surface in this debate. I realize that you were
provoked, which also wasn't okay, but I hope that in re-reading these
three paragraphs you can see how insulting it is to those who prefer to
use systemd, and how it serves as bait for systemd users to defend their
choice against what they see as unfair and inaccurate criticism.
You may not *like* how debugging systemd works, and you may believe that
it is much more complex or uses systemd-specific instead of general
skills. Many other people *do not agree with you*. Stating these
opinions as if they're uncontrovertible facts contributes to emotional
burnout and makes Debian a less enjoyable project to interact with.
Please acknowledge that you could be wrong, and that other equally
intelligent and thoughtful members of the project have arrived at
different conclusions.
We were doing so well in this thread in staying away from reiterating
these aggressive and insulting arguments about each other's preferences,
and then Uoti dug up a common line of attack and baited you into making
the rote response. Please don't.
--
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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