Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:22:57PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Robert Millan wrote:
> > 4. We give priority to the timely release of Lenny over sorting every bit
> > out; for this reason, we will treat removal of sourceless firmware as a
> > best-effort process, and deliver firmware in udebs as long as it is
> > necessary for installation (like all udebs), and firmware included in
> > the kernel itself as part of Debian Lenny, as long as we are legally
> > allowed to do so, and the firmware is distributed upstream under a
> > license that complies with the DFSG.
> Sorry, I fail to parse this. You lost me somewhere around 'like all
> udebs'. Could you please explain this in something that does not try to
> compete with german sentences in length? :)
It's the same from http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 with s/Etch/Lenny/g.
A decomposition would be:
- We give priority to the timely release of Lenny over sorting every bit out
- for this reason, we will
- treat removal of sourceless firmware as a best-effort process
- firmware in udebs as long as it is necessary for installation (like all udebs)
- firmware included in the kernel itself as part of Debian Lenny
as long as we are legally allowed to do so, and the firmware is distributed upstream under a license that complies with the DFSG.
> (Also, isn't "we allow sourceless firmware ... as long as the license
> complies with the DFSG" a no-op?)
The license for a sourceless blob can be GPL or BSD, which are licenses
that comply with the DFSG, or it could be any sort of non-free license
(including lack of license). Of course, the code itself wouldn't comply
with DFSG #2, but the license would.
Anyway, this specific text is already tested and "known to work" so I think
this proves it is solid :-)
The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."