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Re: GR PROPOSAL : The Debian Infrastructure is owned by the whole Debian project, and not a few select individuals.



On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:40:31PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 05:57:54PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> >> Hi Sven
> >>
> >> As you are suspended for one year, your proposal is not valid according to [1]
> >> as your key is not in the keyring.
> > 
> > I don't recognize the suspension as valid, and furthermore, if enough DD
> > second the GR it is valid.
> 
> No, it's not as you could have read in the reference I pointed you to.

Ok, if you want to go legalese, then the DAMs did not follow their own
procedure, and acted against the expressed wish of the project, as thus,
the removal of my key from the keyring is not warranted, and the act of
only 2 people, one of which spoke to me the day after they sent the
expulsion procedure to me, and chose not to speak with me about this.

The suspension is invalid, and the result of corruption and shady
dealings, so, since the system you speak of is corrupt in the first
place, then it cannot deny me to make a GR.

> >> Please stop pestering us with this childish behaviour. It's not because you
> >> make you very difficult to work with and as a result loose some priviliges
> >> that every DD should have access to the whole Debian infrastructure...
> > 
> > Every DD that wants to work on a given area of debian should be allowed
> > to do so, why should some be more privileged than others ? We all joined
> > Debian thinking each DD is equal in right and duties, and that we would
> > not hide problems, and then we face repeated case of a few select people
> > having power, and manipulating things in the darkness.
> 
> You don't need alioth access to be able to work on it.

No, but there is no reason i should not have acess. I was admin of it,
and the one who created it in the first place.

> > Just look at the arm buildd mess, or any of the numerous case of
> > power-play over this last year.
> 
> The arm buildd mess you probably are referring to was not caused by
> power-play, but by bad communication in two directions.

Ah, right ? And in your revisionist world, how do you justify that
Aurelien Jarno's right to upload packages was removed ?

Saddened,

Sven Luther




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