On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:15:03AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: > On 3/15/07, Sam Hocevar <sam@zoy.org> wrote: > > > My main approach to make it fun again to work on Debian is to > >reduce the frustration. You cannot have fun doing something if your > >contributions are ignored, if you cannot access the resources you need > >to do the work, if your administrative requests are postponed because > >there are more urgent matters, and if you do not know what is going on > >and why. > > Agreed, you can't. But even if all of these were fixed (and none are > easy to fix, anyway), that does not guarantee that everyone will start > having fun. > > >From my own point of view, there are several things that currently > make things not fun, which are not listed in your platform: > > 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it > takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole project a bad > reputation. FWIW you're not _forced_ either to read them, nor to participate. People who talk the more are those who do the less, and in Debian, those who do things are actually those who decide what's going on, during other continue to debate and flame ad nauseam. > 2) bad maintainers "owning" packages (i.e. not being able to help out > packages that are bad shape, because only RC or important bugs should > be NMUed). Thus, we see patches for "normal" bugs rotten in the BTS > for years. This is depressing too. That is a real issue, and I think sam addresses that in that platform quite well (More teams, Bigger teams). > 3) reluctancy to change how we do things. There are a lot of DDs that > have a "We are the best distribution ever, we shouldn't change > anything" attitude. We are being left behind. All the other distros > are improving, renewing, adding extra stuff, and we are still doing > the same things. Sam addresses that too (My vision of Debian). > 4) jealousy, bitterness, envy, and other feelings like that among DDs. > If we just stopped the personal attacks and started concentrating on > what we like (free software, I assume we all like that), then we could > have much more fun. IMHO those are symptoms of the problem, not the real issues. You don't fix a problem by disallowing people to act like that. That's better to understand _why_ they act like that, and fix the real problem. You can't blame people for being unhappy, and frustration make people behave badly. That's not new. I don't say it's appropriate to behave like that, but that's also in the human nature. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O madcoder@debian.org OOO http://www.madism.org
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