Hello People at -vote, At the mailinglist -boot was this message: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 11:35:51AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > > > d-i already supports driver disks, see floppy-retriever and the code in > > hw-detect to prompt for a driver floppy if necessary hardware is not > > detected. > > And apparently net-retriever handles this correctly too. > > > Even extending this to support USB and CDs does not cover all cases, > > But should be done. :-) Is this not supported yet? > > > my > > outline in the post above includes some points where this approach will > > fail. > > If the machine needs firmware in order to load the installation media under > Linux, this cannot be solved except by making a non-free installer image.  > It is a theoretical impossibility, because in this case the firmware must > be loaded by something outside the installer proper. In fact, in most > cases the only things loaded in this form are the kernel and the initramfs > (loaded by the BIOS) and so to deal with this case the firmware must be > included in one of them. (In the initramfs case with loadable firmware > this further means that udev must run in the initramfs, which is not > ready.) > > So just *forget* that case, since it's not solvable. If there exists a form > of installation media which does *not* need firmware loaded in order for > Linux to use it, then put the firmware on that media, load it, and > continue. > > Consider this case: the solvable case. What actual problems can you > identify with this case? It appears to be 90% implemented. I see *no* > places where this approach will fail, excepting the impossible case, and > you haven't identified any such places either. Your outline includes no > points where it will fail except the impossible case: I counted. :-) > I'm not able to dive into the discussion of the GR for non-free firmware. Things I have see of it, are "solutions". What I not have see is a voting option like [ ] Just document how to (re)build with non free drivers. I would like to see such an option. My main reason for it is my main reason for investing time in Debian: Free Software Spending time on non-free software, can't be spend on free software. Those who need the non-free firmware can use the free software to build the parts they need. Making integration of non-free drivers easy will help that there will be such drivers much longer. The problem of non-free drivers is a problem of the hardware manufactors who didn't yet find a bisnesmodel to cope with free software, it is surely not a problem for Debian. For those who think it is Debian problem: It is allready fixed. Sources to (re)build Debian software are allready available, just include the non-free parts. People of Debian-Vote@lists.debian.org: Please add a votable option like [ ] Just document how to (re)build with non free drivers. Cheers Geert Stappers <email@example.com> Not subscribed to -firstname.lastname@example.org. and BCC-ing -boot to move this GR proposal discussion to -vote. > this cannot be solved except by making a non-free installer image.  So what? Allow people to make non-free installer images. Just avoid that Debian is providing non-free stuff. Create awareness about non-free software issues.
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