On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 04:20:40PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Matthew Palmer <mpalmer@debian.org> wrote: > > But you saw no need to consult the people you named prior to including them > > in a list of "appointees" as to whether they would be willing to be a part > > of your little sham committee. > > So a committee of those people would be nothing other than a sham? > Or are you trying to suggest that krooger hasn't learnt any lesson > from his past interactions with them? Are you unwilling to work in > any way with someone who you believe doesn't understand your view? I'll work with anyone who comes at a common problem with an open mind. Krooger's tactics thus far have disingenuous at best, and smack of an attempt to marginalise a group of people who are working hard to fix problems they see. > > Consultation with stakeholders *before* > > pushing them around might be a good step, don't you think? > > Can't help but agree that consultation would have been good and > I thank you and Erinn Clark(I think) for pointing out it hadn't > happened. Then again, the debian-women list members are very > prejudiced in my experience and many ignore people they don't > see as fellow travellers: would any of you have answered a > Request For Comments or Call for Volunteers from krooger, honestly? We'll never know now, but a simple, straightforward e-mail to me would have received a simple, straightforward response. Posting a hit-list in a DPL platform and saying "these people have three months to solve the problem" is a really good way to completely destroy any remaining good faith that may have existed. > Also, as we are so frequently reminded, the DPL can't push > anyone into doing stuff, at least constitutionally. Constitutionally, certainly. But an ultimatum such as that issued may well provoke people into acting against the long-term best interests of the larger community in an attempt to avoid being seen as uncooperative in the short term. > > > The longest journey begins with a single step. Not even the shortest > > > journey begins without that single step! > > Giving someone a shove down the stairs isn't a real winning strategy to > > starting a journey. > > Depends if you put cushions or broken glass at the bottom. I still worry about the 15 hard bumps in between. - Matt
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