On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 08:16:00AM +0100, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > Coordinating a project the size of Debian requires a very different set > > > of skills than maintaining a large package, such as glibc.[1] > > > > > > ...or XFree86, the reader is surely invited to infer. > > > > The XSF is run as a Branden-centric 'team', whereby if someone doesn't > > agree with you, they're wrong. > > Personally I don't agree with you. An eg. that doesn't touch either you or > me directly: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=236780 Yes, but had I disagreed with Branden, my opinion would've been noted and very quickly discarded. > > Where if someone slips up and gets a little overenthusiastic, they get > > kicked out of the team briefly, others lose their access, > > Which others? afaik noone other than you has been kicked out from the XFS. > My account was closed once to attempt to diagnose a problem you had > connecting to the repository. For reference this was coordinated on IRC of > which i do not have logs (#debian-devel on freenode). I was briefly excommunicated from the XSF, and everyone had their access suspended, when I made the libGLU/libGL-renaming commit. That was when Branden set #debian-devel's topic to 'everyone congratulate Daniel Stone, he is the new XFree86 maintainer', or words to that effect. > > and #debian-devel's topic announces that the person has hijacked the > > package in question. > > Even if it was me the object of the topic i would have find it funny, > perhaps my italian sense of humor? ;) I found it vaguely amusing (in a morbid kind of way), but it's not the sort of thing you do with packages that are, Branden insists, absolutely criticl to every single system running Debian. > More seriously, I would have probably reacted the same way if someone was > going to upload one of the packages i co-maintain without warning and > specially when i am not VAC or MIA, but active almost 24/7 and the TODO > list for that release was still not empty. What would have been your > reaction to a similar situation in which you were sitting in Branden > position? I'm not defending my conduct here as the way to work in a team; I'm stating what happened before this to make me decided I needed to leave the XSF, is not a sterling example of team leadership. If Branden is suggesting this style he used to manage one very active contributor (such as ignoring my emails asking about some issues and then flaming me for doing it 'wrong' when I had to do *something*), can be successfully expanded to cover the entire Debian project, we're in trouble. > Note that I am not commenting on your personal feelings since they > represent your point of view and your personality and it doesn't stand up > to me neither to judge them or try to convince you to change them. I do indeed have my own feelings on my issue, and they aren't necessarily the obvious ones. This is wildly OT for -vote, though - what I did is irrelevant (or, more to the point, why); Branden's reactions to my actions are what's in question here. And not the issue of myself uploading 4.3.0-1 - all the stuff before that, that made me decide to leave the XSF. :) d -- Daniel Stone <daniels@debian.org> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org
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