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Re: The "Free" vs. "Non-Free" issue



On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 09:04:35PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 07:34:17PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > > Why does there need to be anything else?
> 
> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 04:48:49PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> > > I'm looking, perhaps in vain, for some rationale behind what you've
> > > been proposing.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:32:15AM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > I thought it was obvious. 'Answering the question "Does Debian, as a
> > project, wish to discontinue support of non-free?"'.
> 
> You seem to be saying you're not trying to improve anything?

Only if you don't count settling the question that's been hanging
around for the past three years as an "improvement".

> > > I certainly have restated the question.  But I haven't *just* restated
> > > it -- that restatement was a part of a question.  That question, at its
> > > crudest, is "What's the point?"
> > 
> > The point of what? Supporting non-free? Not supporting it? Asking
> > whether we want to support it? I'd have thought the point of all these
> > were pretty obvious. I can think of several reasons for all of them
> > off the top of my head.
> 
> Do tell.

Which?

> > > > Your reponses to it, including this last one[0], have all simply said "I
> > > > would vote [y], therefore I don't agree with removing it, so I don't
> > > > think we should remove it". I think we got that part already. Please
> > > > wait until the ballots go out before trying to vote :P
> > > 
> > > You seem to be saying that it's futile to even ask if there's any benefit
> > > to be gained by dropping non-free.
> > 
> > No, I'm saying that your argument is just circling endlessly around "I
> > don't want to drop non-free", and pointing out that you should wait
> > until the vote happens before trying to vote.
> 
> Ok.  How about, instead, we talk about the reasons for this change:
> what problems it solves, what it makes better, why it's a good idea?

I'm not really interested in talking about that, but I doubt you'll
have trouble finding people who are. Everybody involved should either
remember the discussions from last time around, or scan the archives,
if they can't remember or guess.

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