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Re: Some questions for the DPL candidates



On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 11:45:58PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 10:31:00PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > 
> > >  * What do you think will be the three major problems Debian will face
> > >    over the next year or two?
> > 
> > * version skew between our many supported architectures hamstringing our
> >   package pools
> 
> a) Testing ensures that we can release with little or no version skew
> b) Your assertion makes it appear as if the architectures are at fault,
>    when in fact 95% of the time (I have stats) build failures are due to
>    the package, and not specific to an arch.

I do not see how your inference follows from my statement.

The current implementation of testing does indeed ensure that we can
release with little or no version skew, but it doesn't necessarily result
in less buggy packages.  Take the case of XFree86 4.0.2-1.  It didn't have
RC bugs, and it didn't have build errors.  It just didn't get built for all
6 architectures for well over a month.  Even then, Anthony Towns had to
force it in.  (Now, of course, the testing archive has been clobbered and
XFree86 is gone again -- this is so mortifying that my emotional continuum
has wrapped around and I have to laugh about it.)

> The other 5% can be due to toolchain issues, or just plain old oddities
> in our complex dist that requires the buildd operator to actually
> manually build the package (IOW, no bug at all, just a manual build).

It doesn't really matter what the causes are.  They all take manpower to
fix, and as we try to release for something like 10 architectures
simultaneously, we run the risk of ending up in the same boat we've always
been; testing is so far out of date that it doesn't really matter that it
wasn't that way because we were frozen for 9 months.

-- 
G. Branden Robinson             |     If a man ate a pound of pasta and a
Debian GNU/Linux                |     pound of antipasto, would they cancel
branden@debian.org              |     out, leaving him still hungry?
http://www.debian.org/~branden/ |     -- Scott Adams

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