Re: trying to install bullseye for about 25th time.
On Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:05:27 EDT David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 06:04:08 (-0400), gene heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 04:18:04 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 02:59:43AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 00:31:55 EDT David Wright wrote:
> > > > > On Tue 07 Jun 2022 at 16:07:13 (-0400), gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:03:41 EDT gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:35:50 EDT David Wright wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tue 07 Jun 2022 at 14:17:08 (-0400), gene heskett
wrote:
> > > > > > The only way I know how to do that is take a screen shot with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > camera. But thats not possible when running the D-I cuz w/o
> > > > > > gimp,
> > > > > > its at least 5 megs bigger than the server will accept. BTDT.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't see why you need a screenshot to post the name(s) of
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > disk(s) in the partitioner menu. It's just one line per disk,
like:
> > > > > SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 500.1 GB ATA ST3500000AA
> > > > >
> > > > > taken from the listing posted in:
> > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/06/msg00055.html
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I could label it, but the partitioner doesn't do
> > > > > > > > > labels.
> > > > > > > > > This drive is new, and has not anything written to it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Really? Which partitioner is that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The one in the D-I.
> > > > >
> > > > > The d-i partitioner lists PARTLABELs, as the cited listing
showed:
> > > > > BIOS boot pa/BullBoot/Linux swap/Viva-A/Viva-B/Viva-Home
> >
> > Andy, What good is a "partlabel" when it does not tell me which drive
> > by the drives own readily found name as displayed by dmesg after a
> > normal boot? With this drive showing up as ata-5 in dmesg, but
> > somehow udev calls it /dev/sdb is confusing as can be. How the h---
> > does a drive plugged into ata-5 on the mobo, get to be named sdb
> > when there are 8 other drives in front of it, 4 of them on a
> > different controller in the discovery process?
>
> Come on, we've known for years that the /dev/sdX names for disks are
> as good as random. On some machines, you can change the lettering of
> their internal drives just by inserting USB sticks at boot.
>
> > I've zero guarantees that the d-i boot will detect THIS drive I want
> > to use, the same as it did for an 11-1 install which generates the
> > dmesg I am reading. The d-i shoots itself in the foot with excellent
> > aim in this regard.
>
> For some reason, you won't show what the d-i partitioner /does/ call
> it (assuming you're going to partition it with that, which I wouldn't).
> > And the d-i will wind up doing a format on the raid10, destroying 6
> > month work, I'll have to reinvent. It did it unfailingly for many
> > previous installs, because if I removed brltty, it would not boot
> > past not find it in the reboot, which meant the only way I could
> > reboot was to re-install yet again.
>
> I've already posted how to ensure that can't happen, by telling the
> d-i not to use the raid10 stuff when installing Debian, and setting up
> your real /home later.
>
> > To the d-i, my history is of no concern, do NOT forget that I've
> > already done 25 damned installs trying to save my work.
>
> Could we!
>
> > I finally did figure out
> > how to silence orca, without destroying the ability to reboot, but
> > the
> > uptime is 5 to 7 days. All because of seagates f-ing experiment with
> > helium filled shingled drives which failed well within a year because
> > they thought they could seal them well enough to keep the helium in
> > them.
> >
> > If in 1960, a bank of monel metal bottles with 2" thick walls, went
> > from 7200 psi to 4800 psi because it leaks thru 2" of monel from
> > midnight to 7:30 when the day shift clocked in. That leakage cost
> > the laboratory I was working for around $10,000 a day, we were
> > validating the ullage tank presuure regulators for the Atlas missles
> > that probably gave John Glen his first ride.
> >
> > Now seagate thinks they can keep it in a teeny hard drive so they can
> > lower the flying height of the heads? The insanity in Oklahoma City
> > knows no bounds. And I am out of the spinning rust camp forever,
> > SSD's are faster AND far more dependable.
> >
> > I now have around 6 months work stored on that all SSD raid, and I'll
> > be damned if I'll take a chance of losing it. But I'm convinced that
> > I have to do one more install, clean of brltty and orca, to get
> > uptimes past 8 days. I have repeatedly asked how to get rid of it
> > totally, several times on this list and have yet to be advised of a
> > way to remove it that doesn't destroy the system, the dependency's
> > removed cascade all the way back to libc6. Tying a specialty
> > function that deep into the OS that it cannot be removed, only
> > half-a--ed disabled and killing the uptime because it leaves a wild
> > write someplace slowly destroying the system is inexcusable.
> >
> > Thats bs, and I'm fresh out of patience.
> >
> > There should be a procedure to fix this, but the procedure so far is
> > to ignore my requests for help in this matter. Only 6 months later,
> > have 2 or 3 begun to understand and advise, and I'm gratefull, as I
> > hope to be able to complete an install on a fresh drive that both
> > saves my work And gets rid of the uptime limits of nominally a week.
> > I am very carefully not installing stuff to the system other than
> > from the repo, but to my own bin or AppImages directory on that
> > raid10. With a suitably modified personal $PATH.
> >
> > As a detail that may be important, 60 gigs of swap is also on that
> > raid10. mobo full at 32Gigs. No swap used ATM, current uptime
> > 1d16h29.
>
> With practice, I might get better at ignoring.
>
I didn't mean to upset the 3 people who are trying to help, but I just
posted a .png that was taken from the d-i screen of an ssh install
about30 minutes ago, following your instructions and the drive I want to
use is totally missing from that listing. did that screenshot not get
thru the debian-user server? It was around 90k in .png. In that case I'll
see if I can smunch it better, if I know what the limit is.
Thanks David.
> Cheers,
> David.
>
> .
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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