Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed

[davidson <davidson@freevolt.org>]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2020-07-07 09:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 09:45:56AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> > > I did install it and it is a single package. It runs fine in
> > > parallel with the esr release. Hopefully the maintainers will
> > > continue the practice of having firefox and firefox_esr available
> > > and bring it to Testing.
> > You don't understand what testing *IS*!
> >
> > Testing is not a "rolling release".
> >
> > Testing is not a thing you use because it makes you cooler.
> >
> > Testing is not a thing you use because it has higher version
> > numbers of packages, and the sum of all the package version numbers
> > is your score, and having a higher score makes you win the game.
> >
> > Testing is not a thing you use because you're an immature child who
> > thinks any package more than a year old is, like, TOO OLD TO BE
> > USED BY ANYONE, like ohmygod.
> >
> > Testing is the NEXT STABLE RELEASE.
> >
> > Testing is what will become Debian 11, bullseye, in a year or two.
> >
> > When bullseye is stable, it will not have an unstable firefox package.
> >
> > When bullseye is stable, it will have firefox-esr, which is a
> > stable package (or as close as you can get with a browser), because
> > it is a stable release.
> >
> > Therefore, testing has firefox-esr.
> >
> > You run testing because you want to help TEST THE NEXT STABLE
> > RELEASE, so that you can find bugs in it and report them, and get
> > them fixed before the release.
> >
> > Because they sure as hell will not be fixed AFTER the release.
> > This is your one and only chance.
> >
> > If you are the kind of person who MUST HAVE THE LATEST THING, then
> > Debian is not meant for you.
> >
> > This includes browsers.
>
> The package maintainers are who make packages stable, not the
> product developers.

People who run testing and report bugs make a significant contribution
to the stability of stable, don't you think?

> There is nothing to prevent a none-esr version of Firefox from
> making it into stable. The maintainers just need to install the bug
> fix patches created to fix the bugs in that particular version.

People who run testing and report bugs make a significant contribution
to the stability of stable, don't you think? (Déjà vu!)

> This is exactly what they do when significant bugs are found in the
> stable version of any package
> (in fact, a significant security bug was patched in Stretch/Stable a
              ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
> couple of years back that broke things.
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^

You seem to be taking the position that you would like this breakage
in stable to occur more frequently, and for the sake of introducing
fixes of less significance.

Do I misunderstand your position?

> I had to hold the package back until Buster became the new Stable).
[snip]

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