Ok, thanks for the followup, that is helpful! It will probably take me sleeping on it to let it completely sink in. My current summary to myself is to avoid using dist-upgrade unless I have some special reason and really know what I'm doing. ;-) On Friday, October 05, 2018 11:35:46 AM Reco wrote: > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 11:03:31AM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > Ok, let's start from the beginning. ---< good stuff snipped >---