Re: painted into a corner
On Monday 20 August 2018 08:29:14 Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 5:51:24 PM -04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 19 August 2018 17:15:43 Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:37:05 PM -04 john doe wrote:
> > > > On 8/19/2018 9:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > Greetings all;
> > > > >
> > > > > I just installed stretch to a fresh 2T HD. letting it
> > > > > autopartition and format for separate /, swap, /var and /home
> > > > > partitions. But I didn't let it overwrite the grub on the 1st
> > > > > drive it was/is booting wheezy from.
> > > > >
> > > > > I figured I'd mount it to wheezy and copy over my personal
> > > > > stuff, like an email corpus well over 15GB reaching back to
> > > > > 2002.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I can't mount much of the drive, / is all that will
> > > > > actually mount, because the 2 versions of ext4 are
> > > > > incompatible, nearly all the mount and e2tools can't touch the
> > > > > installers ext4 file systems.
> > > > >
> > > > > For instance, its not mounted:
> > > > > gene@coyote:~$ e2fsck /dev/sdb8
> > > > > e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> > > > > /dev/sdb8 has unsupported feature(s): metadata_csum
> > > > > e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
> > > > >
> > > > > And of course whats installed to wheezy is the latest
> > > > > available wheezy version of e2fsck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whats the recommended way to do these mounts so I can maintain
> > > > > as much continuity as possible?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe using apt-pinning.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, installing the version of Stretch/Jessie on
> > > > wheezy.
> > > >
> > > > On the wheezy host, can't you backupt on an external hardware?
> > >
> > > In those cases I usually boot a recent live-CD (or USB-stick) like
> > > KNOPPIX and mount and copy from there.
> >
> > I just rebooted to it, and I found a desktop interface that will
> > wear out a set of batteries in my mouse weekly because it takes at
> > least 8 to 10 clicks and some scroll wheel work just to find a #@%#
> > terminal, and it can't even add tabs to a different shell either! I
> > didn't install anything special for a desktop, took the default
> > because I intended to replace it with TDE asap, and going from 10
> > workspaces, 4 of which have multi-tabbed (up to 7 tabs each)
> > konsoles running on them, with a pulldown text menu to run half the
> > stuff I run on the other workspaces, to a single window, single
> > tasking system thats worse than the last windows box I was asked to
> > configure the networking on, was very disheartening. So I added the
> > trinity stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list.d using mc to copy that from
> > the old disk, changing the wheezy in the deb line to stretch, and
> > that did not get me the TDE desktop I've been using for years, but
> > did get me some sort of a warning window that was taller than my
> > screen, fussing that some repo I hadn't added, was duff. If debian
> > is trying to kill itself, it was a heck of a good start, not even a
> > windows user looking for something better would be impressed.
> >
> > The only thing that Just Worked was the networking, it took
> > everything for a static net and Just Worked on the reboot. That was
> > a rather pleasant surprise considering the only stretch based
> > install on my rock64's that works at all was armbian. None of the
> > other arm|hf|64 *bians will accept a gateway assignment except as as
> > a route command after a login.
> >
> > I'm burned out for today, my cataracts might have to be the next
> > thing I fix.
>
> With KNOPPIX to do such simple things as copying don't boot into the
> X-Window. On boot enter: knoppix 2
> (look at the cheat code)
> and you have text only
> use mc if you must or want
>
> Sorry but I don't have time to wade through rants ...
Sometimes they can be educational, and I try to make mine so if you can
get past my frustration, but in this case its partly my own fault, a
naming confusion on my part, I had put the wrong dvd-1 for 9.4 in the
reader, when I should have used the adapted stretch from the LinuxCNC
guys. I have now burned that one, and if I don't install a desktop at
all, then my tde install will be clean and hopefully uncontaminated by
what is obviously a broken gnome. Trying to make it look and run like
windows 95 is IMO a huge mistake, but one that I must say debian has
done remarkably well. Bring back the pulldown text stuff where 2-3
clicks gets you anything installed.
> All the best
> Eike
Thanks Eike.
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