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Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then startx to start kde5

On Wed 18 Oct 2017 at 20:47:08 (+0200), Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote:
> On 18-10-2017, at 22h 17'14", Richard Hector wrote about "Re: removing of sddm (debian 9 -kde5) to start in console mode then startx to start kde5"
> > > 
> > > Did they simply throw every window manager under the bus and say "Nope,
> > > sorry, you gotta run a desktop environment now"?
> > 
> > Now I'm curious - assuming Mageia has deprecated startx, how does that
> > impact using a plain window manager? It's perfectly possible to run twm
> > or whatever when logging in to a display manager, no? I'm sure I used to
> > do that with xdm and icewm.
> > 
> I never ran an desktop manager, nor I used startx. I always used a
> dm (xdm, kdm, etc.) and fvwm. In my ~/.xsession file the last line
> is "fvwm2" (no quotes). Before that I set the background, set the
> keyboard (with xmodmap), start the ssh agent, start rclock, etc.
> I think kdm has an option to overlook ~/.xsession and start another
> wm. Set it to default, which means "read the config files".
> I never understood the need for desktop managers. I use Debian since
> hamm and Linux/Unix since 1995. My take is that desktop managers are
> for people more used to microsoft OS'. Why do I need to click on
> something when the xterm I type in can call any program I need?...

[ It might be clearer to write "Desktop Environment" (or DE) instead
of "desktop manager" because of the latter's having the same initials
as Display Manager (or DM). ]

That said, what are the advantages of running a DM in your case,
compared with using startx? One big disadvantage has already been
mentioned (that Linux Consoles rely on particular drivers far less
than X does).


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