Re: systemd alternative for Jessie?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:55:36AM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> i read the piece on installing without systemd. i get the feeling
> that the bottom line of it is: good luck. or am i missing something?
That depends on your expectations wrt desktop. If you target a fat DE,
it'll be difficult (for Gnome perhaps nigh impossible dunno).
If you just need a window manager, then it'll turn out as fairly easy.
> who decided that Debian shd be locked to systemd?
It was a pretty intense fight. Where were you at that time? At the
end, the Debian Technical Committee decided systemd to be the default
init system. Many didn't like that decision, but it wasn't taken
lightly.
> what did they do to poll the views of the user community on the question?
Come on. I strongly dislike systemd myself, and my Debian boxes will
be systemd-less, but still: there was discssion. A lot of it. You
may dislike the outcome. I may dislike it. But nobody can say things
went through in secret.
> is it true that Red Hat had a major influence on the Debian decision makers?
In a way, yes -- but mostly it was the big upstream packages (e.g.
Gnome) tying closely to systemd services. Debian would have had to
ditch Gnome as default DE, or maintain a systemd-less fork of
Gnome. And other DEs are jumping on that train too (for whatever
reasons. Ask them, not me).
> from what i've read so far, systemd is still very much in beta at
> best. wd people on this list agree with that?
That will depend on whom you ask.
Note that this has been very traumatic. Best to avoid drama, whichever
"side" you are on. Be nice and polite to the other "side" -- they are
doing free software as you are, after all.
*If* you care about alternatives to systemd within Debian, then please
*do something about it*. Besides the above mentioned page, which is
IMHO pretty good (if somewhat short on details), there's Devuan, there's
Thorsten Glaser <https://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/debidx.htm>, there's
a set of slides by Axel Beckert <https://noone.org/>.
Do something. But leave personal attacks out of it. Pretty please. We've
had too much of that (in both directions).
Thanks for listening to my soapbox :-)
regards
- -- tomás
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