Re: pptp-based vpn
On Sunday 09 August 2015 01:15:41 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.reisz@gmail.com):
> > > David Wright writes:
> > > > I'm hoping that the current discussions regarding its
> > > > unsustainability end up in some sort of subscription model, whereupon
> > > > there's no reason to disqualify people overseas.
>
> [...]
>
> > We are talking about the ordinary broadcasting, which is available to UK
> > living Licence payers. (Or Licence non-payers, David. ;-) )
> >
> > Not everything is available after the event on iPlayer anyway. But they
> > try to ensure - unsuccessfully - that only Licence payers get any of it.
>
> The iplayer is available to anyone in the UK, regardless of whether
> they have a paid a licence fee or not. That's one of the reasons
> the current scheme is so unfair.
Yes - that is indeed part of the minefield. I was over-simplifying. But it
was based originally on the assumption that UK people pay.
>
> > They
> > control the Licence very badly, and we need a new model. How can you
> > reasonably ensure, with today's technology, that someone only watches
> > television live on a TV?
>
> I think you need to phrase that the other way round. If you watch or
> record *any* live TV, you need a licence.
Yes - but how can they control that? Realistically, they can't. They have to
define the difference between a TV and a computer, for a start, which is
getting more and more problematic. They simply can't "ensure that someone
only watches TV live on a TV".
But I think I have just seen what you mean. You can legally watch it live on
a computer if you have got the licence. And if you have not got the licence,
you cannot legally watch it live anywhere. But how, if you have neither a
licence nor a TV, can they police it? They can't.
> If you only acquire the
> programmes after a delay (streamed or downloaded *after* the broadcast),
> then you don't need a licence. (Am I right in thinking they only
> recently moved PVRs into the licence requirement? We still have three
> though their contents are all from our fee-paying days.)
Minefield again. I confess that I don't know where we have got to with PVRs.
As I said, we need a new model. But it is a complicated enough minefield
without bringing Time Warner in! ;-)
I think I may have misunderstood. Do you have no licence, because you have no
TV, or not pay a Licence because you are given one? As if I shan't have
enough to do if my husband predeceases me, I shall have to acquire a paid-for
TV Licence rapidly, if I am not to have their bulldogs after me. Or I
suppose that I could just get rid of the TV!! Fast. And watch iPlayer after
the event. Though not everything is available that way.
Lisi
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