Re: Continuing to use SysV; LTS [Re: Fwd: Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?]
On 12/31/2014 1:34 PM, Mike McGinn wrote:
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> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 09:45:53 Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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>> On 12/31/2014 4:20 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote:
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>> > Jerry Stuckle <stucklejerry@gmail.com> writes:
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>> >> On 12/30/2014 5:49 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
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>> >>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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>> >>>> The people there have enough to do at work, and like to have a life
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>> >>>> outside of work. Believer it or not, not everyone is capable (or
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>> >>>> interested) in spending their life working on Linux.
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>> >>> If Debian is important to their business, then they should hire people
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>> >>> to work on the bits of Debian that matter to them. Pretty much
> everyone
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>> >>> who is serious about using Debian in production does this.
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>> >> That's a great idea. Who's going to pay these people - you?
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>> > Simply mirroring the question is not an answer.
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>> > Don is right; what have you done for Debian that they should be obliged
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>> > to maintain the distro in ways you want?
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>> > If you want something, the answer is always the same in Free Software:
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>> > either do the work yourself or pay for it. No-one is obliged to do
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>> > things to your liking without some consideration coming from your end.
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>> > Mart
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>> Mart,
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>> I've never said anyone should be obliged to maintain Debian the way I
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>> want. I said the way they are going is not acceptable, so my clients
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>> are changing distributions. Period.
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>> It's you and others who have demanded people spend money they don't have.
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>> If you want them to help Debian, then are you going to pay for it to
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>> happen? If not, who (besides my clients) is going to pay?
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>> When you can answer that, I can answer your question.
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>> Jerry
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> This is the problem with Linux, folks use it to make money and feel no
> obligation to contribute to it. Even if they do not contribute
> development time, they could budget an annual donation to the Linux
> Foundation, Debian or whatever distribution they use.
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> Linux developers eat too. They would be paying a license fee if they
> were using MS or a commercial Unix.
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> Just my thoughts.
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> Mike
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> Mike McGinn KD2CNU
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> Be happy that brainfarts don't smell.
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> ** Registered Linux User 377849
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Mike, they know Linux developers need to eat, also. My clients use
Linux for a number of reasons, including stability, small footprint and
ability to load a bare-bones system (i.e. no GUI, no unwanted background
processes, etc.).
At the same time, they have a budget they must stay within, and there is
no money in that budget to hire programmers other than for their unique
needs. They don't set the budget - that comes from higher up in the
corporation. And those people have to set budgets based on expected
corporate income.
Now I don't know if they donate to the Linux Foundation or not - and
it's none of my business. All I know is when they need new work done,
it's pretty much always a negotiation between what I want for the work
and what they are able to pay.
And even if they had hired people to work on Debian, it would have made
no difference. The TC made their decision, and would not have asked my
clients for input. So the change would have to be made, anyway.
Jerry
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