Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Wed 12 Nov 2014 at 10:56:27 -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 11/12/2014 at 10:43 AM, Brian wrote:
>
> > The reality is that d-i in jessie installs systemd. I labelled this
> > reality with the phrase "default init system". I could change to
> > using another phrase but it will not alter the reality.
>
> Your original statement was that "systemd is the default init system.
> That means everyone gets it."
>
> I understood that statement as meaning "the reason why d-i in jessie
> installs systemd-sysv unconditionally is because systemd is the default
> init system".
Ok.
> I was trying to point out that systemd being the default init system
> does not automatically imply that d-i must necessarily install
> systemd-sysv unconditionally. It could, for example, only mean that d-i
> must install systemd-sysv unless some configuration setting is in place
> to tell it to do otherwise. This would be a weaker sense of "default",
> but still an entirely valid one.
Ok. But that wasn't under discussion.
> If you assume that "because X, therefore Y", when the discussion at hand
> is specifically based on the fact that other people believe "X does not
> necessarily mean Y", then there is very little chance of anything
> productive or conclusive (or even persuasive) being said - at least in
> your part of the discussion. I think that would be unfortunate, and that
> is why I felt it worth posting in this thread to begin with.
The mail I responded to talked about "a *clean* install" and queried why
one init system had to unstalled before another one was put it. There
was no mention of X does not necessarily mean Y or of a configuration
setting so there was nothing to discuss here.
I'll alter my original statement to "Everyone gets systemd" and let the
rest stand. I may limit my use of the word "default" in future; but no
promises. :)
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