On Ma, 11 nov 14, 18:25:03, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Ma, 11 nov 14, 12:34:10, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >>>There are no functional differences between an installation with > >>>sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is > >>>installed later, this is a fact. > >>No, that's NOT a fact. At least it's not a tested and demonstrated fact for > >>complex configurations such as virtualized environments with complicated > >>file system wiring. > >Wasn't this about clean (minimal) installs? Where did the all the > >complications come from? > > Clean as in install systemvinit from the beginning, not after systemd was > first installed by default. Let me rephrase: install from scratch. > Where the complications come in is that, when talking about testing the > assertion that there are no complications associated with an "unclean" > install, I pointed out that testing in a real environment is different than > on a basic machine. > > In my case, I'm worried about artifacts that might impact the stuff that > I'll install immediately after the core system - like Xen, DRBD, > cluster-glue, and then how an unclean install behaves inside a VM on top of > that environment. 1. do a minimal install 2. replace systemd(-sysv) with sysvinit-core (e.g. via a late_command) 3. install your stuff If you find any artifacts left by systemd after step 2. please report bugs. > >>Based on previous experience, mostly with mail systems (install exim, then > >>replace with sendmail) and filesystems, it's very easy to find oneself with > >>all kinds of artifacts left behind by an install/replace process; as well as > >>finding one's way into lots of packages getting installed/replaced and > >>associated dependency hell. > >Do you have any concrete evidence for such issues in this concrete case? > >Because I'm quite sure the developers would like to know about them. > >After all, that's the purpose of piuparts. > > > >https://piuparts.debian.org/ > >https://piuparts.debian.org/sid/pass/systemd_215-5+b1.log > > > Sorry, but no. I'm basing my decision on whether to invest time in in-depth > testing on previous experience with what I consider to be analogous > situations. Just because some packages (you mentioned exim and sendmail) is (was?) buggy says absolutely nothing about other packages. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt
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