On 2014-11-02, lee <lee@yagibdah.de> wrote: > > Some people still have common sense and/or don't go along with > everything the car manufacturers and sales people are trying to sell > them. If the reception of what they make or try to sell frustrates the > manufacturers or sales people, perhaps they'd be happier to re-design > the product. > Still, they don't call it a horse and buggy for nothing.