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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...



Στις 27-10-2014 18:15, Christian Seiler έγραψε:
Am 27.10.2014 15:05, schrieb Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis:
Στις 27-10-2014 14:53, Christian Seiler έγραψε:
To me a lot of the anti-systemd response here seems to be a purely
gut-driven emotional response. I realize that what kind of preferences we have in the software we want to use has a large emotional component. For example, I don't think you can put my opinion of GNOME into purely
technical terms.[3] So I don't think that it's a bad thing for people
to
say "I am emotionally attached to sysvinit and want to keep using it", but to rant against a dependency on something that DOES NOT PREVENT YOU
from doing so, doesn't seem to be a very rational way of going about
things to me.

A quick search reveals the following.

I've a software that use libuuid. Until now, the uuidd had the ability
to start on-demand the uuidd if the later, quotting "... setuid to an
unprivileged user (e.g. uuidd:uuidd)".

After that commit[1], i'm forced to use systemd, if i don't want to
start uuidd from the beginning. That's new for me...

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg09698.html

Could you do me a favor and reread the paragraph I wrote? I explicitly
said that I didn't have a problem with people saying that they wanted to continue using sysvinit for whatever reasons, I was merely responding to
the fact that some people have an allergic reaction to anything that
contains the word 'systemd' (going so far that some people extend that
disdain to the compatibility layer called 'systemd-shim' that is NOT
written by the systemd authors), and I was directly responding to an
email where somebody was complaining about libsystemd0.

<snip >

I was trying to understand the implications of systemd adoption to my daily work, which for me are not only technical. I'm avoiding to write technical cause for me, for the same reason. I could write software for Windows and OS X but I choose not to do it for non technical reasons.

AFAIU, after reading, whatever i could find and seems to me relevant, regarding the direction of Linux/GNU OS the systemd developers and supporters have envisioned, i concluded that i don't agree with them.

Currently ( even if it's not correct 100% ), I had the feeling that I was in the driver seat of my OS, giving "back-pressure" to the upstreams with my choices reg. the software I use. With the adoption of systemd from all ( ? ) Desktop Enviroments AND from the OS core, the feeling is that i loose control of the very core services which are going to the hands of some "we know best" people. If i wanted or agreed with such an approach, then I will used the BSD's, OS X or even Windows. The mix and match at the most possible low level aspect of Debian, attracted me for using it, not it's technical superiority or corporate acceptance of it.

  Anyway, thank you for your very informative replies and suggestions.

Regards,
--
Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis


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