Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)
On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 18:30:41 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 06:34:17 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> >>On 14/10/2014 5:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>>Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >>>>On Lu, 13 oct 14, 12:34:27, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>>>>Again.. when did the desktop become the priority for Debian. For years,
> >>>>>Debian (and Linux in general) has been most useful in the server
> >>>>>environment. Breaking server deployments, at the expense of the desktop
> >>>>>seems like bad policy.
> >>>>Do you have any evidence of systemd breaking your setup? If yes, would
> >>>>you please be so kind to at least file corresponding bugs?
> >>>Hell no. I have no time at all for testing at the moment - I've got
> >>>production systems to maintain, and security holes to patch (I haven't
> >>>even begun to think how many new security holes sytsemd is going to
> >>>introduce).
> >>A great big +1 from me too.
> >>
> >>Exactly.
> >>
> >>Although I'm up with patching, but I most definitely don't want any
> >>system that I am responsible to maintain to have systemd installed, it
> >>is far too much risk and the changes are not warranted.
> >Are you incapable of reading what is on debian-user, even threads you
> >have participated in in the past few days?
> >
> >Not having systemd as PID 1 is so easy it's unbelievable.
> >
>
> Gee.... assuming that you don't run anything that has systemd
> dependencies and/or systemd-shim is actually maintained and kept
> up-to-date.
>
> I've been seeing all together too many reports to the contrary.
> Maybe YOU haven't been paying attention.
Not having systemd as PID 1 is so easy it's unbelievable and that is the
essential, technical fact which is not denied by anyone, including you.
systemd-shim (as far as we know at this time) will likely be in Jessie
in more or less its present form. Debian only ever releases stable and
systemd/sytems-shim will receive exactly the same maintenance and
treatment as regards updates as any other software in the distribution.
You have will be given exactly what Debian has delivered for many years
and can look forward to at least three years of use of a reliable OS.
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