Re: question about systemd
On Thursday 09 October 2014 22:44:20 James Ensor wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com>
wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:58:13 -0400
> >
> > James Ensor <belgianpainter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I don't have a strong opinion about systemd one way or the other, but
> > > even after all of the debate and discussion that has been going on,
> > > it was still not clear to me if systemd is something that is required
> > > to be run, or if it's just a default init system that can be changed.
> > >
> > > So I went ahead and installed sysvinit and purged systemd so see if
> > > something bad (tm) would happen, but as far as I can tell my system is
> > > running fine. The only two things that changed are (1)
> > > network-manager has been removed, so I'm using wicd instead for
> > > network management, and (2) suspend from xfce no longer works so I
> > > installed acpi-support to enable suspend. But everything else seems
> > > to be working just fine. System is Debian Jessie amd64, and I'm
> > > using Xfce4.
> > >
> > > So I guess my question is what's all the hubbub?
> > >
> > > James Ensor
> >
> > James,
> >
> > Please, please, *please* write down a detailed article on exactly
> > how you did this. I'll help you if you'd like --- I write for a living,
> > a lot of it tech writing.
> >
> > If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
> > just singlehandedly ended this whole argument. If you want to
> > collaborate on this article, I'll throw an extra hard disk in my
> > experimental box to tech edit your instructions.
> >
> > This just might be good news.
> >
> > SteveT
>
> Again, I just don't see what the big deal is, or why you would need a
> detailed article about how to remove packages from debian. I'm not
> looking to wade into any arguments about systemd. I certainly do not
> claim to have solved any great crisis...
>
> Anyway, this is what I did:
>
> aptitude install sysv-rc sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils
> aptitude purge systemd
> aptitude purge libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-daemon0
>
> Just for kicks, I also purged cgmanager. I guess I like to live
> dangerously. Nothing bad seems to have happened.
>
> Like I said, the only thing I was using that was also removed was
> network-manager, but I don't really miss it.
>
> But, to get more to the point of my original question, there has been
> so much discussion about systemd here, but as far as I can tell very
> little of this discussion has been of practical use for a debian-user.
This simple sanity is very useful! Thank you James.
Lisi
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