Re: [solved] fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires gvfs)
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:47:43 +1000 Charlie sent:
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 17:33:43 -0700 Vincent mentioned this:
> Re: fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires
> gvfs).
>
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Charlie
> > <ariestao@ipstarmail.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:51:41 -0700 Vincent mentioned this:
> > > Re: fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero requires
> > > gvfs).
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Charlie
> > >> <ariestao@ipstarmail.com.au> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:20:27 +0200 lee mentioned this:
> > >> > Re: fvwm: was i3 sticky/floating windows (brasero
> > >> > requires gvfs).
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >> Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com> writes:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Because you use fvwm on a regular basis, you should write
> > >> >> >> some documentation on it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please check out [1] --- let me know if it works for you and
> > >> >> how you like it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [1]: https://github.com/lee-/fvwm
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Knowledge is volatile and fluid. Software is power.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > From my keyboard:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello Lee,
> > >> >
> > >> > I've just had a cursory read and you have put a lot of
> > >> > effort into this. Thank you on behalf of those of us who will
> > >> > appreciate and use it.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have a meeting to attend this morning that will keep me away
> > >> > most of the day, so I won't have the time to read all of it
> > >> > till I return.
> > >> >
> > >> > But just quickly and without the history why I moved from fvwm
> > >> > to xfce4.
> > >> >
> > >> > I used the win95 script to get an fvwm setup quickly. I'm
> > >> > tweaking as i go along as time permits.
> > >> >
> > >> > I wanted to get the Debian Menu into the fvwm Root menu to get
> > >> > rid of the taskbar but have not found yet, how that can be
> > >> > done.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Examples of how the Debian menu is configured and used is
> > >> provided as part of the Fvwm package,
> > >> under /usr/share/doc/fvwm/examples/.
> > >>
> > >> It is composed of three parts:
> > >> 1. A function definition
> > >>
> > >> DestroyFunc SetDebianMenu
> > >> AddToFunc SetDebianMenu
> > >> + I Read /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook
> > >>
> > >> Which when called will read from the menudefs.hook under
> > >> /etc/X11/fvwm/. This menudefs.hook defines the structure of the
> > >> Debian menu, but is not yet linked to your personal menu. The
> > >> name of the Debian menu is "/Debian".
> > >>
> > >> 2. Calling the function
> > >>
> > >> Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) SetDebianMenu
> > >>
> > >> Which will first test if the menu exists, then calls the function
> > >> defined in step 1. This line can be put anywhere you like, as
> > >> long as it's after the function definition.
> > >>
> > >> 3. Add the Debian menu to your menu
> > >>
> > >> Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) + "Debian Menu" Popup
> > >> "/Debian"
> > >>
> > >> Insert this as part of your menu definitions, under
> > >> 'AddToMenu ...'. This instructs Fvwm to insert an entry to popup
> > >> the menu "/Debian".
> > >>
> > >> Hope it helps,
> > >>
> > >> Vincent Chen
> > >
> > >
> > > From my keyboard:
> > >
> > > Hello Vincent,
> > >
> > > Thanks you for that. Doesn't do it for me. I want to get rid
> > > of the taskbar and just have the Debian menu available through the
> > > left mouse click on the desktop instead.
> > >
> > > But it doesn't work for me at all. I can get rid of the taskbar,
> > > but then I don't have a Debian menu I can call up every
> > > application in the Debian menu in a terminal, but that's just too
> > > tedious.
> > >
> > That's because you didn't follow the steps I laid out. Insert the
> > snippets I provided in step 1 and 2 directly in your config file.
> > Not inside the root menu or any other directives, but directly in
> > your config file.
> >
> > > In my menus - Root Menu - there is already this in part:
> > >
> > > + "&Restart%mini.turn.xpm%" Popup Restart
> > > + "&Quit fvwm%mini.stop.xpm%" FvwmForm
> > > FvwmForm-QuitVerify Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) +
> > > "$[gt.&Update My Debian Menu]%menu/terminal.xpm%" PipeRead
> > > 'update-menus && echo "Read $./menudefs.hook"'
> > >
> > Because this does exactly what it says: "Update My Debian Menu".
> > _IF_ you already have a Debian menu, clicking this entry will
> > update the Debian menu. This has nothing to do with actually
> > providing the Debian menu entry in your menu.
> >
> > > But It doesn't show up so I might have to edit it, but don't know
> > > how. So will have to keep playing about when I get time.
> > >
> > Insert the snippet in step 3 in your menu. That's what will actually
> > insert the Debian menu entry in your own menu.
> >
> > I'll try and restate what is being done:
> > - Steps 1 and 2 defines the structure of the Debian menu, and makes
> > Fvwm aware of what the Debian menu looks like.
> > - Step 3 is what makes Fvwm actually show the Debian menu as a menu
> > entry.
> >
> > If you only do steps 1 and 2, Fvwm will know about the Debian menu,
> > but does not display it anywhere. If you only do step 3, Fvwm will
> > display a menu entry, but will have no idea what this "/Debian" menu
> > is.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vincent
>
>
> From my keyboard:
>
> Hello Vincent,
>
> Thank you for your patience. I have done as you suggested. I
> assume that 1 is a function, so have placed in ~/.fvwm/function
> this:
>
> #----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> # This is the Debian menu call as suggested by Vincent W Chen.
> # Debian Menu
> #----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> DestroyFunc SetDebianMenu
> AddToFunc SetDebianMenu
> + I Read /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook
> Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) SetDebianMenu
>
> #------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> That appears where functions like this are entered?
>
> Then in ~/.fvwm/menus have placed the other at the end, as seen here:
>
> #------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> # Root Menu: This menu will fire up some very common utilities
> #------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> DestroyMenu Utilities
> AddToMenu Utilities "Root Menu" Title
> #PREF 3
> + "&Terminal%mini.term.xpm%" Exec exec xterm
> + "&Editor%mini.kate.xpm%" Exec exec kate
> + "&File Manager%mini.filemgr.xpm%" Exec exec xterm -g 80x35 -e
> mc
> + "&Top%mini.run.xpm%" Exec exec xterm
> -geometry 80x40 -T Top -n Top -e top
> + "" Nop
> + "&Shells%mini.term.xpm%" Popup Shells
> + "&Programs%mini.start.xpm%" Popup Programs
> + "" Nop
> + "Fvwm &Modules%mini.modules.xpm%" Popup Module-Popup
> + "&Settings%mini.desktop.xpm%" Popup Settings
> + "&Documents%mini.books.xpm%" Popup Documents
> + "&Screen Saver%mini.display.xpm%" Popup Screen
> + "" Nop
> + "&Restart%mini.turn.xpm%" Popup Restart
> + "&Quit fvwm%mini.stop.xpm%" FvwmForm
> FvwmForm-QuitVerify Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) +
> "$[gt.&Update My Debian Menu]%menu/terminal.xpm%" PipeRead
> 'update-menus && echo "Read $./menudefs.hook"'
> Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) + "Debian Menu" Popup "/Debian"
>
> I have done those things from your previous emails.
>
> There is no joy. It doesn't show up, I still have to use "Start" from
> the start menu which has the entry for Debian Menus.
>
> My .fvwm2rc has only read entries to read the various file, like
> function, menus, modules etc., like this:
>
> #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------#
> #
> # Start the Show
> #
> #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------#
>
> Read decorations
>
> Read globalfeel
>
> Read menudefs.hook
>
> Read startup
>
> Read styles
>
> Read iconstyles
>
> Read functions
>
> Read bindings
>
> Read menus
>
> Read modules
>
> So obviously it either doesn't work on my system or I am putting the
> function in the wrong function menu, or something else.
>
> There seems to be no place to put something else? All the rest of the
> text is commented out?
>
> I have tried quite a few things, like put the taskbar entry:
>
> Test (f /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook) + "&Debian Menu%programs.xpm%"
> Popup /Debian
>
> Into various locations, but no joy there either.
>
> I've added some applications to: ~/.fvwm/menudefs.hook but they don't
> work unless I actually make the entries in /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook
> I have no idea why it reads that entry before the one in the ~/.fvwm
> home directory?
>
> All a bit tricky.
>
> Thanks for your time in this, but please don't waste any more time on
> this. I feel guilty that you have already spent too much time already.
>
> Thank you,
> Charlie
Hello Vincent,
I left everything as described above.
Deleted: Read bindings in my .fvwm2rc file and that now allows me to
just click on the desktop and have access to the Debian Menu.
I removed the taskbar by the relevant section in the functions file and
this looks as I like just what, for me at least, is desired.
Thanks for your time and help in this.
Charlie
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