Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 07:07:08PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 23 Sep 2014 at 12:58:26 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > === Depending on glibc ===
> > True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose
> > agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat.
>
> Misinformation. systemd is not in the control of or managed or developed
> by Red Hat, although it will, like Debian, contribute to it. I doubt you
> will retract the statement, though.
>
> > === udev ===
> > Udev is one of the components that provide hot plugging. Take it out
> > and root needs to manually mount stuff. OK, that's a pain in the butt,
> > but it's limited. Most of us remember the days when you really had to
> > do a mount, as root, to read a thumb drive. Hassle? Yes. Comparable to
> > the invasiveness of a PID 1 whose most intimate details are necessary
> > to run the most mundane user apps? No.
>
> Running mc depends on what PID 1 is? Are you sure we are both using
> Debian? You are peddling more misinformation.
>
> I use pmount myself and do not see it as a hassle. Others want what they
> see as a more convenient method. They need udev. They're happy and I'm
> happy; it's only you who seems a bit miserable. Cheer up; you have the
> same choice as us available.
>
> (Next time, would you please do a question and answer session which
> bears some releationship to reality?).
>
> > === X.org ===
> > First, no CLI program gives a flying flamingo about what GUI provider
> > is used: They don't access it. Systemd, on the other hand, has its
> > sticky little fingers in CLI and GUI alike. Second, by definition, a
> > GUI program must access GUI system software. There's no such definition
> > that CLI user identification must interact with part of PID 1's
> > package, nor that a GUI program know the intimate details of PID 1.
>
> I don't understand what you are trying to say here. You probably don't
> either. Not so much misinformation but a propagation of confusion.
IOW, FUD
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