Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable
dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an
interesting discussion for developers.
ISTM that such threads - with people who are actually using systemd asking for
help with actual problem using systemd - are easiest spotted because Michael
Beibl or Tollef contribute a useful answer. But such threads seem to be less
than 1 in 10 of the systemd threads on this list, the remainder decidedly not
fitting into the above categorisation.
That might better be framed as "1 in 10 POSTS in systemd threads"
As far as I can tell, most systemd related thread start out with either:
a. a question about systemd impact, or,
b. a report of a problem or impact caused by systemd
c. a question about how to avoid running systemd
After, maybe a couple of direct responses, each thread then degenerates
into
c. general "discussion" of systemd, it's developers, etc.
And then degenerates further, into
d. arguments about whether systemd is a legitimate topic on this list.
a., b., and c. are completely within scope - real user issues w/ Debian.
Personally, I think c. is a topic of legitimate interest and relevance
to many of us on this list. Others seem to disagree.
Again, personally, I think d. is a waste of all of our time and I wish
those who kept complaining would just shut up and learn to use their
delete keys.
I'll also point out that this seems to be the pattern with many topics
besides systemd.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
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