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On 28/08/14 14:32, AW wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:15:10 +0200 Bzzzz <lazyvirus@gmx.com> wrote: > Treating sysV of "overly complex" against systemd is… quite intriguing > (to stay polite and avoid referring to brain and other things;) All of the above is opinion, not source code based, and has nothing at to do with anything other than -- I don't want to use it... Based on some good rules of thumb: 1. Violates the K.I.S.S principle 2. Non textual _default_ stream 3. Feature creep I've been using GNU/Linux for at least 15 years. I've programmed in many languages - my favorite being assembly. I find bash scripting to be rather cumbersome, and I find systemd significantly easier to use than sysvinit... after I read through the documentation, that is... Jolly good. Glad you like it. Some of us don't. Please don't be facetious. Perhaps we can raise the level of this debate.So, I guess I'm just the odd anomaly? I suppose /everyone/ who runs GNU/Linux finds bash scripting easy in comparison to filling in sectioned off lists of options, except me? And I suppose there are no users 'out there' who have read about systemd and are eagerly learning how to use it to their advantage rather than moaning about changing how something is done? What about in 2 years time? 5 years? Can you guarantee that will still be the case?<snip> apt-get source sysvinit is all you need to type in order to compile your own init and run it on whatever machine you wish... I have some unix books from the 1980's and they are still relevant today. That is one of the main strengths of 'nix systems IMO. And just to bang this drum again, count how many of these principles are not being adhered to. This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface. And perhaps wishing those that don't like it just give up and learn it, cos, hey - it's reallySo, the NSA comparison is complete rubbish and a total red herring. Troll-baited... sure... however, I would hope that at the very least those wishing systemd away have at least /looked/ a little at the documentation and configuration of systemd. --Andrew cool probably is not going to address the concerns that are being raised. Iain |