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Re: systemd situation in Jesssie



 
 
17.05.2014, 22:29, "Erwan David" <erwan@rail.eu.org>:

Le 17/05/2014 22:02, Tom H a écrit :

 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wrote:
 Le 17/05/2014 20:57, Sven Joachim a écrit :
 On 2014-05-17 19:58 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote:
 I am wondering whether systemd will be mandatory in Jessie.
 At the moment, I can install Jessie without systemd. Will this stay so,
 or will this change somewhere before Jessie becomes stable?
 Depending on your needs, installing systemd might be mandatory in
 unstable already (e.g. gdm3 indirectly depends on it), but you do _not_
 have to install systemd-sysv and thus make it the default init system.
 So systemd-sysv is the real systemd ? or is there someting else ?
 systemd-sysv uninstalls sysvinit-core and takes over "/sbin/init" so
 systemd is used as pid 1.

 If you don't install systemd-sysv, you have to add
 "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" to the kernel cmdline in order to use
 systemd as pid 1.

I do not particularly want to use it. I juste want to be prepared for
when the switch will be compulsory. And there is a package called
systemd which thus is *not* the systemd used as init, but something else
? And what about systemd-shim ? When to use one, when to use another ?

Thare are many packages, the documentation is  sparse, and very
difficult to read (vocabulary, construction of the text, etc...)

eg  take the man of systemd-logind. At the end there is a link to
"inhibition lock" documentation; However it is the first mention of
those inhibition locks...

Take systemd.service man age : speaks of sections, "units" without any
definitions of what is a unit and what is a section. For the latter one
can guess it must be sothing looking like a windows .ini file, but not
sure yet : the existing doc seems to be redacted *against* all unix
admins knowledge and habits.


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Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does not use it as its init system. It could be useful when you depend on Gnome 3 software like network-manager but do not want to use systemd. 
 
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