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Re: Password problem confirmed as repeatable - was [Re: Newbie password problem(s)]

Osamu Aoki wrote:

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 01:53:47PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
Terho Uotila wrote:
Unless you want to try very minimal system you probably want shadow

I do not understand.
Going by text displayed during the installation  I had the
impression that shadow passwords were for those overly paranoid
about supposed incremental security advantages. My machines will
effectively be the ultimate in single user systems. I will be the
only one with physical access. They will have only occasional
restricted access to the internet over a dial up connection. It is
very unlikely that there will ever be a LAN among my machines. I do
not see that Debian even claims that shadow passwords *could* be of
any benefit to me ;/

1. Use of shadow is almost standard these days.

2. If your are attacked while you are using user account to access
    internet, the use of shadow password gives you one thin but extra
    layer of protection to protect your root account after your user
    account is hacked.

3. Disabling shadow does not give you much speed or space.  Configuring
    system to odd configuration is usually not good idea since it is
    tested less.

One does not usually associated the word normal/standard/typical with me.
My whole goal is to do an install that I know is on the fringe.
That is why I bought a used laptop which will _*NOT*_ be connected to the internet for by experiments.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:04:21 -0600
Richard Owlett wrote:

2. Did not enable shadow passwords
3. Attempted "su", neither root nor user password accepted

You may have hit a bug.

Obviously there is a "bug".
The question is it me or Debian?

In this context, more likely Debian or its upstream.

I noticed a problem with disabling shadow
passwords some time back and I don't know if anyone has fixed it, as
(ahem) I haven't gotten around to reporting it yet...

For you I have such a deal.
I've submitted a bug [693464@bugs.debian.org] on which you may
This will be especially useful if the problem has been observed in
something later than version 6.0.5.

I recall (maybe wrongly) figuring out that when shadow passwords were
not enabled, installer still saved root password into shadow before
disabling it, or something on those lines.

I don't know. Though ~"3 score and 10", this is my first foray into

Welcome and if you are newbie, stay within safe area :-)

That's no fun.

Do not try to do something complicated before getting system understood.

I'm what once was referred to as a kinesthetic learner. I learn by doing. I've been a "computer user" since before Mr. Torvalds was born. I just never had reason to have contact with *nix. Even when working for DEC I was much more into analog than digital.

I could fix my installation at the time by going into single user mode
and changing root password, after which it worked correctly.

I don't understand that.

I did not know this but passwd package ships command called
shadowconfig.  Use "shadowconfig on".

See "man shadowconfig" and  /usr/share/doc/passwd/README.Debian for more.
(If you installed from CD, you may alternatively reinstall system ...)

By the way, we have some basics for use as:

Thanks for reminding me. I haven't used it as, being on a dial-up connection, online manuals are inconvenient. Is it available as a PDF or as a single HTML file?

Is there a similar volume of preseeding, especially for those of us who insist on installing without the availability of an internet connection.
[I'm in rural SW MO on the end of a 56k dial-up connection ;]

Good luck,


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