Re: [OT] Mails coming from "email@example.com"
On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 06:31:01PM +0200, Camaleón wrote:
> El 2012-05-01 a las 11:04 -0500, Indulekha escribió:
> (sending back to the list)
> > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:27:06AM +0000, Camaleón wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe is that I missed something but AFAIK, Debian does not have a
> > > mail2news gateway, at least nothing that's official. What people do to
> > > read the mailing lists from a newsreader is using a NNTP server or using
> > > Google Groups (which I don't recommend).
> > >
> > Apparently you don't have nntp access to actual usenet then?
> > There is def a newsgroup, linux.debian.user, which is on usenet.
> > It uses a mail2news gateway to duplicate this list, and it's
> > what I was using to read it. Someone thought it would be a good idea
> > to have cutesy headers, which break threading if you reply to this list
> > via that group. As I'd actually read this group there for over a year
> > before attempting to reply, that annoyed the living hell out of me.
> Is not that... yes, I'm using "linux.debian.user" but what happens is
> that Debian mailing lists are, well, "mailing lists", there's no native
> NNTP server managing the posts, they have to be converted from/to
> e-mail/news so what we (you and me) are using is more like an hybrid,
> in the end whatever handles the posts have to talk with a mailing list
> server software, not a "news" server and here is where the mess starts
Well, the mail2news gateway does record the original headers before
it cluelessly discards them, so it should be trivial to preserve them
to be used appropriately for the sake of interoperability. It's quite
annoying when people do things *almost* correctly for year after year
when it's trivial to just do it correctly. Also, there were many other
factors involved yesterday, so it was the wrong day for me to have to
redo things I'd thought were already solved and I got a bit pissy over it.
> > > Setting up Gmane (or another news server) is plain easy, I mean, for the
> > > client side. Another thing would be you have to configure you own nntp
> > > server as a local cache but that's another story...
> > >
> > Been using news.individual.net for years now, at times with leafnode.
> > The issue is "let usenet work as it always did".
> > I fondly remember the days when usenet was actually informative and
> > useful. Yes, I'm old and sometimes quite cranky...
> > :)
> I did not use Usenet, I started at the times of IRC and then mailing
> lists and forums but after having used both systems (nntp and mailing
> lists) I still consider the former a must for todays "one-to-many"
> communication system.
Well, I miss the usenet we once had.
In fact, there's not much reason left for me to renew my
news.individual.net account in June and I doubt I will.
The skriptkidz, spammers, and trolls have about driven
everything useful away. They weren't kidding about the
Oh well, here comes the future...
I notice as I age it takes a bit more work to keep a clean
slate and open mind. Worth the effort, though. :)
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