However, I have not understood the meanings of all these packages (this is what people say here), I guess, openSUSE is good to start with. While, Debian too could be a rock solid, but I don't know why I am going to try (with a Live CD) both - openSUSE as well as Debian.
A general con with the any Linux distro is that it needs to be learned a little to get it work perfectly. The general cons with Windows are that it is highly unsecured, easy to attack and nothing as resourceful as in Linux. The pros with any Linux system are that these are resistant to any of the viruses and highly resourceful to get out of these!
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:34 PM, francis picabia
<fpicabia@gmail.com> wrote:
However, if it isn't for production purposes, as I said,
then anything will do. Get your feet wet. Get a soaker.
Running various distros is the best way to understand
what people are talking about when they say
things about the package selection and management
in Debian. It's like travel, it broadens the mind.
Then you go back to the favorite place and live there.
That is correct but I have a different job, I cannot always try and search. But simultaneously have to choose one and start work there, even if it takes me more than two years to learn that OS, but I have to choose one and start the journey. Your suggestion is good but that is good only for the one who has more of time to test all these things. I just want to get out of Windows, want to sit in the shade of Linux tree and the out of only two trees I am (in fact 'was') confused with - Debian or openSUSE, as both have rock solid stability and rock solid security. But still on the coming Sunday (as you say), I would give the try to Live CDs (at least to Debian, openSUSE and Knoppix).
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Camaleón
<noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you think that because you see openSUSE as a "transient" step to
finally reach Debian but it is not: openSUSE is powerful enough to fit
any requirements, from the most basic to the most advanced usage so it
can be used as a start point to get the user introduced into the Linux
world as well as a final point, to use it on clusters and HPC systems.
That's really nice to know!
I dropped openSUSE in favor of Debian just because they (openSUSE)
reduced the security patches support period from 24 to 18 months. This
wouldn't have been a problem if I were a home user that only has one
computer to attend, but as an admin I need to manage servers and
workstations and having to update every 18 months all the machines is not
something I can support.
This is not a problem for a single home user because I think even if the period is of 18 months, one (here 'I') can learn at least some basics of Linux, and after 18 months can install/upgrade the newer version and then for next 18 months - again it is safe. The basic fundamental of the newer upgraded version too would remain the same as that of the one with was it got replaced, please let me know if it is like that....mean am I correct in this sense....?
Testing other distributions can be a true headache for first time linux
users... I -having using linux boxes since 2003- had to accustomed to the
Debian-way system and still costs me a bit to get used to it (and I'm
using Debian since 2009!).
That's why from the starting itself, I am searching the one to which I would sticking with and need not to change again and again so that I would know about how that particular thing works---like in our case either Debian or openSUSE (with more preference to the later one).
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Burhan Hanoglu
<burhanoglu@gmail.com> wrote:
Both freedom and stability are still good things to have while going
thru the "newbie" stage. Ending up learning a "good" distro at the end
of the stage mentioned is also an important thing.
I agree because once addicted with, it becomes a good habbit that we always like that feature which is really *good* and always.
OpenSuse can be as stable as well, but the main perfection with Suse
is being able to get almost everything done in the GUI mainly using
YAST, which is a good thing. However....
I read somewhere (thought I am beginner and may I am **wrong**) that
while everything is possible with GUI (that's why it is easier for
beginners too) but simultaneously it (openSUSE) do provide command line
for the people like you (experts/who know about Linux).
However; "perfection" for a novice is not just to find another OS or
GNU/Linux distribution using which they can do everything on a stable
GUI. What eventually is more important is the scene behind the GUI. I
have to admit that GUI helps a novice get things configured and work
rather quickly and easily, but by achieving the same result the hard
way, which takes more time; a novice can end up with real-world
experiments. This is when the "objective accomplished" when the matter
is "learning Linux"; even for a regular user...
That is correct and I know (I must be true..!) that command line is the
only way to know how your (or mine) computer is actually working and
what is happening behind the movie. While openSUSE could provide
everything GUI (as you say), I guess (with some surety) that it must be
providing excellent command line utilities too (like Debian, of course).
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Camaleón
<noelamac@gmail.com> wrote:
I did not say the opposite, just that they're not your "main" concern
because an stable and freedom system is useless unless you can install
and be able to work with your system.
That is also correct but I guess ('according to me') before using the
system it should be stable also even if the users don't know about it
since many users who work on the banking system, they do work and
follows the bank transactions in a highly stable and secured system(s),
though they don't know about stability! However, this is just an
example, but I guess, it should/must matter a lot.
The beauty of openSUSE is that you can run the applications or setting up
the system configuration either from 1) a GUI wizard, 2) using the GUI
ncurses counterpart or 3) by typing the required commands... you can
choose whatever level of expertise best suits for you and that's
something that is not available in other distributions.
And that's why it (openSUSE) could be great even for a beginner! It is
also stable (rock-solid) like Debian but exceeds Debian in terms of GUI
(I guess). So better for a beginner ('me' here).
Sure! I fully agree with your POV and openSUSE is "perfect" for such
scenario because it provides the user the possibility to go for the
novice, intermadiate or the expert path ;-)
And that's why I go for its trial on the coming Sunday.
I am thankful to all of you who told the great experiences, these all are useful for me for everyone so that as a matter of generality, only the accurate facts are known. As a matter of great interest, I am sure (100%) that whatever distro (either Debian or openSUSE) I use, I am far better in the long run as compared to Windows (which I don't want to use only because of security).
Thx.