Sven Hoexter: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 09:13:04PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote: > >> But I tend to agree with what another poster said: Ubuntu may be the >> right place to try things like this. Debian isn't, but it still may >> profit from the experience. Without being a Ubuntu fanboy, I hope this >> experiment won't damage their reputation. > > There've been times in the past when Debian was the playground to > introduce new cool technology. When was that the case? I use Debian since potato and I never had this impression. But I might have missed that particular image in the first one or two years. > It's strange that nowdays people expect Debian to stay away from it. > It even reverts the upstream/downstream relationship with Ubuntu. That's not true anymore for many packages. Ubuntu tried to make cutting-edge solutions usable by everyone almost from the start. > I'm not sure if I'd call that an improvement but it somehow > demonstrates a lack of manpower in Debian because otherwise someone > would've already packaged wayland for Debian. I am unsure whether this is about manpower only. Debian's answer usually is "we just need someone to package it", but there's more to it. People will probably name a lot of counterexamples, but my impression is that Debian is currently unable to push any big changes forward. Even "internals" like multiarch don't happen. Maybe package maintainers have too much power over their packages, maybe it's just too much bikeshedding or personal attacks. And one could probably argue that the decision making process isn't designed for big changes in the first place. I don't know. I think the best change since I-don't-know-when is the recently passed GR concerning "non-packaging contributors". I hope it pulls in a lot of people with a different point of view than the regular package maintainer. J. -- I worry about people thinking I have lost direction. [Agree] [Disagree] <http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html>
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