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Re: Java plugins in 64bit Debian

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 04:26:35PM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On 2010-01-11 at 16:04:26 -0500, Alex Samad wrote:
> > I am not arguing that, and I agree with what you have said about them
> > making it free.
> > 
> > The issue is the icedtea plugin is touted as a replacement for the sun
> > plugin, and it clearly doesn't work properly 
> I hear you.  Of course, there is a Sun plugin too, and you have to install
> that yourself as well, which may mean de-installing other software to
> avoid conflicts.
> At the risk of "hijacking" a thread, I had a similar
> problem with Flash player plugins.  The "free" and default flash player
> for Etch was constantly crashing my browser.  With Lenny it was much
> more reliable, and it would play a higher percentage of flash plugins
> correctly, but it still didn't play some of them correctly.  At present,
> there are two pieces of non-free software that I typically install.
> One is Sun Java.  The other is Adobe Flash Player.  Philosophically,
> I much prefer free software.  But I'm enough of a pragmatist that I
> install those two pieces of software because the "it works" feature
> is the most important thing to me.
> Writers of free software are often at a distinct disadvantage.
> The format of the data files is often proprietary and undocumented.
> They literally have to guess at the format.  Sometimes they guess right
> and sometimes they don't.  If web page creators would use free and open
> formats for their web content, it would help.  But when they use
> proprietary tools to create the web pages in the first place, it
> should come as no surprise that the generated web pages use proprietary
> data file formats.

I think we are coming from the same place


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