On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 09:28 -0500, Chris wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:08:10 +0200
> Siggy Brentrup <debian@psycho.i21k.de> wrote:
>
> *** Snip*
>
> > > Perhaps a BSD would be more to his liking.
> >
> > Were we talking about Linux or about unixoid OSes?
>
> The point he's making is simply that the BSD's might be a better way to
> go.
> having been a BSD'er I can relate to the comment - I chose to move
> away from the weekly ritual of having to upgrade, fix, test, tweak,
> sigh, recheck, and maybe get to spend some time relaxing on that
> Friday night with a few hours left before sun-up.
I know, that's the 2nd reason for my VAXstation not running.
Propably I got his argument wrong; for me it reads: instead of driving
others to ${unnameable} go to BSD yourself, please view my response in
that light.
> > > What he seems to fail to understand is that with Free
> > > Software he has the power to make the system *exactly* how he wishes
> > > unlike the proprietary system he suggests some of us should use.
> >
> > Yes, even if it means to back out X's dependency on the almost dead
> > HAL. I'm not yet fully decided, but I might even be inclined to help
> > him forking a more back to the roots Debian (without bash essential).
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, IMHO Ubuntu is going the right way to reach
> > Joe.Luser and I tend to see it as kind of a fork of Debian
> > addressing a certain clientel. What I don't like to see is
> > Debian following the same route by depriving a sysadmin of his
> > freedom to decide which daemons to run.
>
> Curious way of viewing that.
Thanks for improving my english understanding, I had to look it up to
learn curious can also mean weird or peculiar :). People who know me
in person are accustomed to unconventional views of mine.
> If the admin still has the ability of
> REMOVING (in this case, HAL) then how is this viewed as a deprivation
> of freedom?!
I am concerned about X's dependency on HAL. Years ago I was using my
SGI Indy with a superb SGI Monitor and US keyboard (brackets and
braces at the right places) to have up to 6 xterms onscreen; the
machine is too slow to do real work. I didn't yet recover far enough
to know for certain, but planning to run current sid on that box you
might hear my curses over the ocean when I find out I have to run HAL
or use ancient X.
> To me, the freedom is still there. I now have the freedom of either
> removing it or leaving it. The choice is still mine.
We'll see, my choices are: current X, no HAL.
Regards
Siggy
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