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Re: request for a mono vote.



O/H Gregory Seidman ??????:
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 08:06:31PM +0300, ???????? ?????????? wrote:
As a dedicated  debian user i want to express my concerns and worries
regarding mono inclusion in main and i  ask for a vote for mono in
non-free/main because:

1) I feel like microsoft is not clear about the license issues.

This seems pretty clear:

http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft-moves-C-NET-CLI-to-community-license-helps-Mono/1246980965

2) MS is a monopoly in desktop OS market and its monopoly aggresive
behavior has been proven in courts and is evident every day. see netbook
market for example.  Wouldnt a pro-ms pro-monopoly  move harm the
excellent name Debian has  build?

That has nothing to do with Mono. Mono is not tied to MS in any way. The
software has been implemented independently and under open source
licenses (GPL, LGPL, and MIT X11, depending on which piece):

http://www.mono-project.com/Mono,_a_technical_whitepaper#Mono_Licensing

3) Is essential to me and the way i perceive the debian identity to has
a clear position out of middleware rivalries of multinationals companies
not favoring or taking sides.

I can't parse this sentence. Rather, I can't tell whether you are claiming
that Debian should or should not have a clear position. It doesn't matter,
of course, since Debian has a clear position on licensing, not software
rivalries.

Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby, TCL, etc. are all available in Debian main, as are
a couple of Java interpreters. As long as they are under open source
licenses and are unencumbered by patent threats (or stupid encryption
export laws), they belong in main.
+1 for a voting procedure.

+1 for understanding the relevant patent licensing, code licensing, and
Debian policy

-1 for calling for a vote without that understanding



I think you see the technical angle and not a broader concern that i tried to draw, maybe hastily , vaguely or not expert-legaly i admit. I see the fog of a middleware battle going on for decades
and mono is the linux implementation of MS middleware .

Also i dont see how Perl, PHP , Ruby , TCL are compared with the extent of a middlewe API like java,or .net. Do they provide the same functionality in scope ? Correct me , but i think that that argument is valid for java mainly. Not sure, but i think that java and .net are more ambitious than scripting languages , and programming languages . So i think it'be vary informative to draw a parallel about mono and java free implementations and discuss about merits ands risks for possibly default inclusion in debian and generally in dists.

Finally forgive me for being suspicious about the benevolent monopolist who runs from court to court! .Dont expect me to sympathize with pro-ms pro-monopolist moves.


chomwitt

chomwitt
--Greg




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