Re: is it possible to install a desktop-manager without python and perl?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Michael Ekstrand<michael@elehack.net> wrote:
> 明覺 <shi.minjue@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Tzafrir Cohen<tzafrir@cohens.org.il> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:40:20PM +0800, 明覺 wrote:
>>>
>>>> So does it mean debian determines the use of python and perl?
>>>
>>> Python? Python is not a dependency. perl-base is. perl is, to a lesser
>>> extent.
>> gnome depends on python, if other desktop manager doesn't depend on
>> it, I will switch to that one.
>>>
>>>> could you help recommend some distributions that do not need perl or
>>>> python? thanks
>>>
>>> What's your problem with using perl? This is not a rethorical question.
>>> Do you have an issue of performance? Disk space? Memory usage? Can you
>>> provide some more details about your application?
>> no problem with perl, I just want to keep my system simple so that I
>> will be able to modify them someday in the future, without learning
>> any other programming languages.
>> thanks
>
> I like the mindset of wanting to be able to modify the programs on your
> computer. Truly, this is the heart of running a Free Software operating
> system. It is excellent to see a user elevating that desire so high.
>
> Unfortunately for your other constraints, you will be unable to achieve
> the goal of a Perl-free system with most distributions. Many software
> developers work in Perl or Python so that they can produce good software
> much more quickly than writing everything by hand in C; I choose OCaml
> myself for this very reason. Perl is used for some of the base glue
> that holds Debian together. Even Gentoo, one of the most customizable
> distributions around short of LFS, used Python for its package manager
> last I knew. And even in LFS land, you will definitely have shell
> scripts, and if you go far enough with it will need Perl and perhaps M4
> programs to get things working (IIRC some of the Autotools suite
> requires Perl).
thanks, but before I got the benifit of so many languages, I have been
tired of learning them, maybe it cannot be called "learning", it's
just some parallel memory, for none of them bring new concepts to
C/C++.
thanks
>
> So while the goal of being able to modify anything is good, I do not
> think it is achievable with the constraint of only C or C++ with
> presently-available Linux distributions.
>
> You might try FreeBSD. Perl and Python are not installed in the base
> system; everything in its base system is C, C++, shell/sed/awk, or Make.
> Perl and Python will only be installed when you start installing
> additional software from its Ports collection that require them.
>
> - Michael
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