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Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?

On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote:
>> On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
>>> If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most 
>>> likely UTC.
>> On a Linux computer, the internal clock is almost certainly *NOT* UTC,
>> rather it is "seconds since Unix Epoch", often shortened to "seconds
>> since Epoch", or just "Unix time".
> The BIOS does not have a concept of time zone.  It only knows "seconds 
> since it's epoch".  And that's (I think) translated to a struct or string 

True, seconds since it's epoch, but it's epoch is not Unix Epoch, and
all sorts of uncertainties and confusions arise because nobody knows
the "DOS epoch" of someone else's computer. What a mess! At least with
Unix there is only one epoch to argue about, rather than millions and
millions in all the Windows computers in the world.

The implementation of time keeping in Debian/GNU/Linux is actually
quite well done. I had not been aware of how well done until recently
while engaging in this discussion. I have issues with some of the
descriptions of it that I perceive to be sloppily worded. I think too
many descriptions are written with an eye to shutting up a person who
asks question than to describing how thing actually work. Debian does
pretty well at avoiding these conventional falsehoods. (I think of
answers to "Where do babies come from?" for instance.)

Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last
shot.  I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an
hour' in switching from standard to summer time. It is conventional
wording, it is manifestly untrue. But if people say it often enough,
it becomes something that is used in syllogisms as if it were a fact.

Paul E Condon           

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