Re: To synchronize system time witn NTP-server with no winter time shift whole year - how to?
On 2009-03-29_17:14:44, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:49:22 Paul E Condon wrote:
> > On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
> > > > On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > > Strong and Humble writes:
> > > > > > Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that
> > > > > > has no winter time shift whole year?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure. Many time zones have no "daylight savings" or "summer time".
> > > > > Just pick an appropriate one or create your own.
> > > > >
> > > > > > What I want is to stay the same time (without winter shift) whole
> > > > > > year, yet be able synchrinize my system time with a ntp-server.
> > > > >
> > > > > NTP deals exclusively in UTC. It has nothing to do with "time
> > > > > shift".
> > > > >
> > > > > What problem are you trying to solve? There may be a better
> > > > > approach. --
> > > > > John Hasler
> > > >
> > > > I'm not OP, but I think I also want what, I believe, he wants, namely:
> > > > A locale that I can select that will give me text displays of the
> > > > time, and text displays of file mtimes that do not mention, or use,
> > > > summer time, ever. Is there such a wrong-thinker/outlier variation of
> > > > locale? A sort of a sub-culture locale, that isn't really an fully
> > > > accurate reflection of the dominant culture in my geographic region?
> > > >
> > > > For me, summer-time has always been something of an annoyance. With
> > > > the spread of computers in the sixties and seventies, I had hoped that
> > > > limitations of technology might kill summer-time. Instead, computer
> > > > technology has become an enabler of a feature of my culture that I do
> > > > not like.
> > > >
> > > > And let's see what OP was really asking for also.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit lost on this. When I install Lenny I am asked when I choose a
> > > timezone whether I want the system time (as opposed to hwclock, which I
> > > keep in UTC (or GMT)) to be adjusted for summer time or not. I say yes.
> > > So that is what I get. Could someone please explain, I genuinely don't
> > > understand :-(, why it is so difficult to say no? There presumably is a
> > > reason. Is it a bug? Am I just very lucky?
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST
> > (Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I
> > believe, because the switch-over is mandated in the official locale coding
> > for this region (Colorado). I would like to now how to take a pass on this
> > switch-over part of the local locale. And how to do it ahead of time, so
> > that for me, I don't have to find an unwanted task of undoing a unwanted
> > change waiting on a Sunday morning. My version of what I think OP was
> > asking for is a variant of locale that does not honor local mandates for
> > switching to and from summer-time. It is very much a cultural thing.
>
> But my locale is set to the UK, and we have summer time (or daylight saving
> time). We lost the hour from 1:00 to 2:00 last night. So are you saying
> that the choice I am given is a non-choice and that I would get the same
> thing even if I answered no? Or are you saying that some locales are more
> dictatorial than others?
>
> Lisi
In my opinion, you did not lose an hour. You reset your clock. You
reset your clock because "everybody else" reset their clocks. I have
no quarrel with conforming in this way when I am in public, but in my
own home, sitting at my own computer, I like to keep my own time. I
now how to use NTP to support this habit.
As to dictatorial, no. You surely want to reset your clock. If there
were a dictatorial regime in US that mandated, under pain of some
punishment, that I reset my clock, I might plot against them, but I
would reset my clock. But we don't have a dictatorship here, just the
aftermath of a really disfunctional regime. All locales are the result
of well meaning people trying to be helpful. But some people don't
want some help.
Another thought. This morning the sun did not rise an hour later than
yesterday. It actually rose a little bit earlier. What also happened
is that you, and almost everybody else in UK reset their clocks. The
same thing happened a few weeks ago here in US.
Slightly more philosophically. Time happens. It was happening long
before man had clocks, and will continue to happen long after we are
gone. While we are here, and have clocks, there is some benefit in
having some level of agreement as to how we set our clocks, but only
up to a point. The whole time-zone thing is because globalization can
only go so far, and then reality forces disagreement among peoples of
the world. Disagreement is part of the human condition.
--
Paul E Condon
pecondon@mesanetworks.net
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