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Re: RAID suggestions?



On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:46:17AM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Alex Samad wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:37:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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>>> On 03/18/08 15:44, Mike Bird wrote:
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>>>> On Tue March 18 2008 12:56:00 Michael S. Peek wrote:
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>>>>> But now I'm looking to build replacement servers and I thought I would
>>>>> ask what the community uses for it's hardware RAID, and why?
>>>>>         
>>>> We use "nothing" for hardware RAID.  Software RAID is much more
>>>> flexible.  With hardware RAID you always need to have a spare
>>>> controller on hand, because without a matching replacement
>>>> controller you can't retrieve your data after a controller failure.
>>>>       
>>> That's what dual redundant controllers are for.  Both transfer data
>>> for the same "device", and if one fails, the other keeps on plugging
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Obviously, performance suffers, but at least the machine keeps on
>>> chugging until you can replace the dead controller.
>>>
>>> Does Linux have that capability?
>>>     
>> I believe the kernel (+userland tools) can handle multipath (multipathd)
>>   
>>> SNIP
> Yes, the kernel does (or is able) to handle multipath, however AFAIK,  
> the major SAN,NAS mfg do not support it.  I only know of one former  
HP Storeage works support mutlipathd - with their HBA (qlogic) and their
eva (and I think XP ) range

and they are moving towards using the standard drivers, not having to
install their own

> customer who tried to use it and it was failing.  All the functionality  
> you get from HBAs is not yet working.  If you use multipath, you need to  
> use vendor HBAs and vendor applications (aka PowerPath from EMC, the  
> only one I have experience with)  AFAIK.  If you know better, please  
Storeage works have a whitepaper on doing multipath with linux and their
storeage, using multipathd 

> inform me.  I did extensive searching on behalf of that customer and I  
> only found that at best it is only partly running and buggy.  This  
> experience is about 6 months old.
>
> In short, IF multipathd works for your SAN/NAS you're home free,  
> however, if you can't get it configured to see your LUNS, nothing you  
> can do about it.  So it comes down to which do you have more of?  Time  
> or Money?  If time, play with multipathd, and if you have kernel devs on  
> the team, perhaps you can fix the issues.  If you have more money, go  
> with the vendor solution.
>
> Disclaimer, we are leaving the area of Linux I know the most about and  
> are on the outside of my knowledge base.  All I know of this subject is  
> from that one customer I could not effectively help other then to say  
> use EMC's application, even after extensive research by me.  Even after  
> going through all the howto's I could find, his SAN was not properly  
> being displayed.
>
> HTH
>
> Damon L. Chesser
> damon@damtek.com
>
>
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